Is Harry Reid Now Moving Toward Official Church Discipline?

[Guest]

Question....

Does anybody remember, way back a couple of decades or so, when the Republican Karl Snow was running against Democrat Bill Orton for a house seat? Orton was single at the time, and Karl Snow was not only married, he had several children; and so Snow's team ran a very large ad in the local paper (was the Provo Herald?), which was nothing more than a full-color pic of Snow and his family juxtaposed with a small B&W pic of Orton, alone. Why wasn't Orton, who was in his 40's, married? Everybody knew he was LDS, but to be in your 40's and unmarried???? Was he gay???? I think the ad was meant to stoke these kinds of fears and questions among the Repub faithful in Utah County. But didn't Snow know that Orton was his brother in the Gospel? Why would another brother pull such a dirty trick on another brother in the Gospel?

It's called politics, and the Repubs are just as good at playing the game as Democrats, and they certainly can be just as dirty--at least in this one example, they were. It certainly represented a new low in Utah politics.

P.S. - I may have some of my facts wrong in this story. If so, I invite anyone who knows the real facts to correct me.

[Guest]

Not all active LDS reflexively support or like Mitt Romney--especially the new reinvented arch conservative Romney. I liked the Romney who was governor of MA, the moderate Romney, but not the new one. Some people opine that Romney does not really have a core set of principles when it comes to politics, and this is the reason he can change them at will, like a suit of clothes.

I cut a pic out of the news the other day. If I knew how to attach a pic here, I would attach it. It shows Romney in the early days of Bain Capital with 8-10 other Bain associates. The pic must've been part of a promotional brochure or something. The men are all standing in a room, and money is raining down from above, it is sticking out of their shirts and suit coats, their pockets. Romney is in front of the group, and he is clutching some of the money, and he and everybody around him are ebullient, happy, smiling.

A picture is worth a thousand words, I think the saying goes....

[_Cicero]

Perhaps he needs a church court discipline action committee himself eh?

Well If Droopy had his way, the Church would be sure be a heck of a lot smaller.

However, unlike Droopy I happen to believe that is not our place to suggest such a thing. I haven't been posting here long, but my impression is that people have been telling Droopy for years that it is not his place to question another member's standing with the Church, but he believes that the oath & covenant of the priesthood compels him to be like some sort of Grand Inquisitor of the Internet and act as judge and jury on the acts of his fellow Saints, and to issue his wise and omniscient pronouncements on the worthiness of his fellow Saints on internet chat boards. He seems to have a very hard time understanding things like priesthood authority versus priesthood keys. Thankfully, the Church doesn't operate that way since it actually lets each members LOCAL leaders act as judge and jury of the members of THEIR flock.

In just two months here, I have seen hurl all sorts of cruel invectives at John Dehlin, Jason Bourne, me, David Bokovoy, now Harry Reid, and his favorite target Kishkumen. I have yet to see him ever admit any error or admit any of his own faults. In fact, he seems to claim to have a vast amount of knowledge about pretty much everything. I really think Droopy needs to read Matthew 7:3-5 and deeply ponder its profound message.

[_bcspace]

To assert that a Democrat cannot be a good Mormon is merely D&C 88:81

I really think Droopy needs to read Matthew 7:3-5 and deeply ponder its profound message.

No, more like JST Matthew 7:1-2. Why are you defending an organization and philosophy that is dead set against the Gospel of Jesus Christ in almost every possible way? There is even a temple recommend question that directly precludes Democrats and anyone to the left of them (unless they lie or are impossibly ignorant).

[_Cicero]

Question....

Does anybody remember, way back a couple of decades or so, when the Republican Karl Snow was running against Democrat Bill Orton for a house seat? Orton was single at the time, and Karl Snow was not only married, he had several children; and so Snow's team ran a very large ad in the local paper (was the Provo Herald?), which was nothing more than a full-color pic of Snow and his family juxtaposed with a small B&W pic of Orton, alone. Why wasn't Orton, who was in his 40's, married? Everybody knew he was LDS, but to be in your 40's and unmarried???? Was he gay???? I think the ad was meant to stoke these kinds of fears and questions among the Repub faithful in Utah County. But didn't Snow know that Orton was his brother in the Gospel? Why would another brother pull such a dirty trick on another brother in the Gospel?

It's called politics, and the Repubs are just as good at playing the game as Democrats, and they certainly can be just as dirty--at least in this one example, they were. It certainly represented a new low in Utah politics.

P.S. - I may have some of my facts wrong in this story. If so, I invite anyone who knows the real facts to correct me.

That was Chris Cannon who ran that ad, and it was most definitely a bit of a dirty trick, but that wasn't exactly what caused him to lose. Research at the time indicated that Orton was doomed by hatred of Bill Clinton in Utah over the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument. Your point is well taken though that pretty much all politicians engage in behavior like this.

[_Cicero]

To assert that a Democrat cannot be a good Mormon is merely D&C 88:81

Again, keys versus authority . . . if the prophet or even your own bishop tells you to start condemning all Democrats then go right ahead (otherwise it really isn't your place to do so).

No, more like JST Matthew 7:1-2. Why are you defending an organization and philosophy that is dead set against the Gospel of Jesus Christ in almost every possible way? There is even a temple recommend question that directly precludes Democrats and anyone to the left of them (unless they lie or are impossibly ignorant).

Well bcspace, if you ever get to be a bishop or stake president, then I'd like you to let everyone you interview know that you consider associating with the Democratic Party to be an offense worthy of keeping members out of the temple, and just see how well that goes over with your Area Presidency.

[_Emma Smith]

To assert that a Democrat cannot be a good Mormon is merely D&C 88:81

You are an idiot. My relative, a life-long Democrat, was called as a temple president and interviewed by a member of the FP.

What you are suggesting is that the FP is incapable of discerning the unworthiness of my relative (D) but you, the intellectual equivalent of Cleon Skousen's pet turtle, can state without reservation that my relative is (was) unworthy of serving as a temple president, a mission president, a stake president, a bishop, and as a home teacher.

Just remember that next time you go through the veil, it may be an evil democrat drawing you into the CK. Oh the horror!

BC, you are in a state of apostasy. Your politics have become your religion. If you continue down this path of political extremism you will, at some point, choose which allegiance is more important to you; your Republican loyalty, or your loyalty to God.

PS -- Gordon B. Hinckley was a Democrat.

[_Boilermaker]

I think what he is doing should require church discipline, but the Mormon Church won't want to get into the middle of a political mess. Reid is obviously publicly lying about Romney and needs to get a grip on reality. It's as if he's trying to prove his church membership won't get in the way of his loyalty to the Democratic Party.

[_Chap]

...Reid is obviously publicly lying about Romney ...

I have no horse in this race. But if Reid's "lying" is obvious, no-one will believe it, so no harm done.

But maybe there may be something substantive behind this, and the opposing views on the question may both be ones that can be held without either mendacity or stupidity being required. Maybe?

Of course that kind of attitude would make political discourse horribly complicated, and television would more or less cease to function in the political arena. So let's not go there after all.

[_Jaybear]

I think what he is doing should require church discipline, but the Mormon Church won't want to get into the middle of a political mess. Reid is obviously publicly lying about Romney and needs to get a grip on reality. It's as if he's trying to prove his church membership won't get in the way of his loyalty to the Democratic Party.

If its so obviously he is lying, please provide the quote from Reid that you claim is a lie.