Can ex-mo's ever vote for a Mormon?

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Re: Can ex-mo's ever vote for a Mormon?

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Drifting wrote:
How strong was your economy before Obama took office?

From 2008
It's official: Recession since Dec. '07


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The National Bureau of Economic Research said Monday that the U.S. has been in a recession since December 2007, making official what most Americans have already believed about the state of the economy .

The NBER is a private group of leading economists charged with dating the start and end of economic downturns. It typically takes a long time after the start of a recession to declare its start because of the need to look at final readings of various economic measures.

The NBER said that the deterioration in the labor market throughout 2008 was one key reason why it decided to state that the recession began last year.

Employers have trimmed payrolls by 1.2 million jobs in the first 10 months of this year. On Friday, economists are predicting the government will report a loss of another 325,000 jobs for November.

The NBER also looks at real personal income, industrial production as well as wholesale and retail sales. All those measures reached a peak between November 2007 and June 2008, the NBER said.

In addition, the NBER also considers the gross domestic product, which is the reading most typically associated with a recession in the general public.

Many people erroneously believe that a recession is defined by two consecutive quarters of economic activity declining. That has yet to take place during this recession.

This downturn longer than most

The NBER did not give any reasons or causes of the recession. But it is widely accepted that the housing downturn, which started in 2006, is a primary cause of the broader economic malaise.

The fall of housing prices from peak levels reached earlier this decade cut deeply into home building and home purchases. This also caused a sharp rise in mortgage foreclosures, which in turn resulted in losses of hundreds of billions of dollars among the nation's leading banks and a tightening of credit.

The current recession is one of the longest downturns since the Great Depression of the 1930's.

The last two recessions (1990-1991 and 2001) lasted eight months each, and only two of the 10 previous post-Depression downturns lasted as long as a full year, according to the NBER.


I don't think you can wreck something that was already wrecked, but what do I know. Give Romney a go and see if he delivers what he said he would deliver.
Let's remind everybody what that is:

1. Create 12 million new jobs.
2. Achieve US energy independance within seven years (by 2020).
3. Cut the national deficit.
4. Set up new trade agreements.
5. Get tough with Iran.
6. Repeal the healthcare bill.


The reality is with the real start of Obamacare and the continuing deficits Obama continues to run up that we are looking at a new recession next year. I don't really believe we've had much of a recovery because Obama's policies have interfered too much with the private economy to allow it to thrive as it could. We need to exploit more of our own fossil fuel resources to get the economy moving again. Romney has plans that will get things moving. Obama hasn't got a plan. Obama can't even get 51 votes to get his budget passed through his Democratic Senate. The Republicans in the Senate can't filibuster a budget. So I'll be voting for the Mormon.
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Re: Can ex-mo's ever vote for a Mormon?

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son of Ishmael wrote:Obama has had his chance...

I see what you mean, and in the biblical spirit, I offer a parable...

A family was riding down a scenic country road in a fine limousine, when, for several reasons, it ended up in a deep ditch. The driver then retired, and the family hired a new driver who they hoped would get them out of the ditch, choosing from applicants representing two companies, which I will call A and B.

It turned out that the ditch was much deeper than anyone realized, and the car slipped much further before they could even get started on their effort, but with the help of his Company A support crew, the new driver was eventually able to get one set of wheels back on the road. The car was still partially mired and moving slowly, but it needed more help.

So it came to pass that the family (being very smart people) decided to fire a large number of the crew and hire new members from Company B. After being hired, every last Company B crew member united against the driver and were determined to deny him success. They gathered together on the other side and pushed hard in the direction of the ditch, all while yelling that the driver was incompetent, and that the limo was too big and expensive, and should be replaced by a Yugo. And thus did the car remain semi-mired in the ditch.

So it came to pass that the family (being very smart people) then decided the whole mess was the fault of the new driver, and replaced him with a driver from Company B -- you know, the crew that was working so hard to keep the car in the ditch.

Makes sense to me. After all, he had his chance.
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Re: Can ex-mo's ever vote for a Mormon?

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Now that the thread has gone from ex mos voting for Mitt, to political partisanship, should we move it to off topic?

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I think Cthulu would be a better president than Zod.

http://generalzod28.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/vote-zod-in-2012/

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Re: Can ex-mo's ever vote for a Mormon?

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krose wrote:
son of Ishmael wrote:Obama has had his chance...

I see what you mean, and in the biblical spirit, I offer a parable...

A family was riding down a scenic country road in a fine limousine, when, for several reasons, it ended up in a deep ditch. The driver then retired, and the family hired a new driver who they hoped would get them out of the ditch, choosing from applicants representing two companies, which I will call A and B.

It turned out that the ditch was much deeper than anyone realized, and the car slipped much further before they could even get started on their effort, but with the help of his Company A support crew, the new driver was eventually able to get one set of wheels back on the road. The car was still partially mired and moving slowly, but it needed more help.

So it came to pass that the family (being very smart people) decided to fire a large number of the crew and hire new members from Company B. After being hired, every last Company B crew member united against the driver and were determined to deny him success. They gathered together on the other side and pushed hard in the direction of the ditch, all while yelling that the driver was incompetent, and that the limo was too big and expensive, and should be replaced by a Yugo. And thus did the car remain semi-mired in the ditch.

So it came to pass that the family (being very smart people) then decided the whole mess was the fault of the new driver, and replaced him with a driver from Company B -- you know, the crew that was working so hard to keep the car in the ditch.

Makes sense to me. After all, he had his chance.


Company B has changed the CEO from Bush/Cheney to Romney/Ryan. No more compassionate conservatism. I'll take my chances with them.
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Re: Can ex-mo's ever vote for a Mormon?

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I wonder if Mitt Romney will listen to Toby Kieth's "Red white and blue" before he begins to deal with Iran.
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Re: Can ex-mo's ever vote for a Mormon?

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krose wrote:
son of Ishmael wrote:Obama has had his chance...

I see what you mean, and in the biblical spirit, I offer a parable...

A family was riding down a scenic country road in a fine limousine, when, for several reasons, it ended up in a deep ditch. The driver then retired, and the family hired a new driver who they hoped would get them out of the ditch, choosing from applicants representing two companies, which I will call A and B.

It turned out that the ditch was much deeper than anyone realized, and the car slipped much further before they could even get started on their effort, but with the help of his Company A support crew, the new driver was eventually able to get one set of wheels back on the road. The car was still partially mired and moving slowly, but it needed more help.

So it came to pass that the family (being very smart people) decided to fire a large number of the crew and hire new members from Company B. After being hired, every last Company B crew member united against the driver and were determined to deny him success. They gathered together on the other side and pushed hard in the direction of the ditch, all while yelling that the driver was incompetent, and that the limo was too big and expensive, and should be replaced by a Yugo. And thus did the car remain semi-mired in the ditch.

So it came to pass that the family (being very smart people) then decided the whole mess was the fault of the new driver, and replaced him with a driver from Company B -- you know, the crew that was working so hard to keep the car in the ditch.

Makes sense to me. After all, he had his chance.


I don't blame Obama for the state of the economy when he took over. I just don't think he has done a good job fixing the problems. It is not like he didn't know what he was getting into when he accepted the postion. If my house burnt down and I hired a builder to build a new one I would expect progress. If after a certain time, I felt that the current builder wasn't up to the job, I would fire him and hire someone else. I didn't expect him to entirely fix the economy, but I don't think he has done a good enough job to get to stay for four more years.
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