The GOP Delivers Yet Another Victory for Tyranny

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It is going to be Hillary. Write it down. Bank on it. The Democrats have quite a few potential Rock Stars that seem to pop up out of nowhere at times.


Well, good, because Hillary Clinton is no more qualified to be President of the United States than Barack Obama was when he entered office, and neither were as qualified as Bill Clinton, who at least had some executive administrative experience as a state governor.

But Hillary would be a great follow-up for the Democrats to Obama as Hillary is also a dedicated disciple of Saul Alinsky, and in her case, a personal friend of Alinsky who was an intellectual and political mentor.

She will continue to pave the Road to Serfdom and paint the little white lines on it with our freedoms.
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Bob Loblaw wrote:
Droopy wrote:Reagan was a New Deal Democrat, until he woke up and realized the party had left him, as he said. He also realized that much of the New Deal he supported in his youth was actually not what he had once thought it to be.

He was no more a socialist than you're a libertarian.


The fixation on Reagan by many liberals is just bizarre. On the one hand they use him to scold the GOP on how radical we've become, and on the other hand they tell us he was a senile simpleton. No one who knows anything about the man believes that about him. Perhaps it's residual resentment because he forced the Democrats to move back to the center after McGovern and Carter. Or maybe it's just that the scary saber-rattler deployed the Minuteman as inducement to the Soviets to negotiate, and it worked, rather than starting a nuclear war.



It was something very near Bush Derangement Syndrome for the entire eight years, but Bush was a conservative only in a marginal sense, which indicates to me, looking at our social and political history since then, that the Democratic party has continued to drift to the Left during that time, and with ever increasing velocity, such that now even a whiff of conservative or libertarian ideas or policies creates a sense of deep, existential threat.
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Bob Loblaw wrote:The fixation on Reagan by many liberals is just bizarre.


Reagan has become a mythic ideal that conservatives project their beliefs onto. It's the conservative fixation on Reagan as conservative hero that liberals latch onto because of the disconnect between Reagan the actual politician and some of the stuff that gets projected onto him.
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Reagan has become a mythic ideal that conservatives project their beliefs onto. It's the conservative fixation on Reagan as conservative hero that liberals latch onto because of the disconnect between Reagan the actual politician and some of the stuff that gets projected onto him.



In all actuality, the empirical and documentary history of the Reagan years, there successes and failures, and Reagan the man, are well known, well documented, and easily accessible to anyone who wants a substantive working knowledge of him as a politician and why he is a conservative icon, as he should very well be, and the last we will ever see.

If you really, really want to see politicians who have become mythic ideals upon which beliefs and wish fantasies are projected, I would point you to FDR and, more egregiously (and ahistorically), JFK.
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Kevin Graham wrote:Conservatives were overconfident because they've created a parallel universe for themselves. They actually believe most of America agrees with the crap on talk radio and FOX News. Granted, the rise of Right Wing media since 2000 has done plenty to deceive and confuse a lot of people, but at the end of the day, we're still a nation of rational people who can smell b***s*** a mile away.

Just check out the electoral map. The highest percentage of Romney votes come from states like Alabama, Mississippi, Kentucky, Arkansas, Tennessee, etc. States with higher rates of illiteracy and also, ironically enough, dependency on government aid! In the meantime Obama is winning over voters with graduate degrees, and the more educated states like Mass, Conn, etc.

But the delusion festival continues as these folks on the right keep making wild excuses as to why they lost. They told themselves with absolute confidence that this was going to be a landslide victory in their favor. And in their minds Romney losing must be because, as Bill O'Reilley put it, "Fifty percent of Americans want stuff and Obama is going to give it to them."

I used to get upset about these bigoted assumptions, but now I think they should keep thinking that way. Because as long as they keep thinking that way, the longer they'll simply not "get it," and continue to lose elections.

They really do live in their own little world.


How many counties went red vs how many went blue? How much more of the popular vote did Obama win over Romney?

Don't pretend this was a mandate. Obama won barely. Had the election been a week earlier he may well have lost.
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Kevin Graham wrote:
Are you kidding me?

It is going to be Hillary. Write it down. Bank on it. The Democrats have quite a few potential Rock Stars that seem to pop up out of nowhere at times.

But the Republicans can't seem to find a decent candidate anywhere. Who is going to run for the Republican party in 2016?


Marco Rubio or Chris Christie
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Jason Bourne wrote:
How many counties went red vs how many went blue? How much more of the popular vote did Obama win over Romney?

Don't pretend this was a mandate. Obama won barely. Had the election been a week earlier he may well have lost.



Latest Presidential Popular Vote Count:

Obama (Democratic) - 60,786,989 - 50.46%
Romney (Republican) - 58,127,439 - 47.99%


Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... tion,_2012
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