No Gay Wedding Cake For You

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_canpakes
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subgenius wrote:
DoubtingThomas wrote:And it is a sad fact that many judges and law experts are religious. Religion does influence their decision.

CFR on both claims here...


Some reading for you at the link.

http://aja.ncsc.dni.us/publications/cou ... nstein.pdf
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subgenius wrote:..and while you are at it, please demonstrate that "many scientists" are NOT religious and NOT influenced in their decisions.

(and then get ye to a library or a community college for some much needed education).


More reading for you to get you started on the second question ...

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scie ... nd-belief/
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There is little that is actually rational about replacing God with science and prophets with scientists which seems to be the case in DT's comments. Exercising ones critical thinking skills should prevent one from arriving at the conclusion presented.

I agree with Res Ipsa regarding the OP. All things considered, the ruling seems to be a win for the protection of a person's civil liberties against institutional bias. I'm for that even if I disagree with the baker's actions in this case.
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canpakes wrote:
subgenius wrote:..and while you are at it, please demonstrate that "many scientists" are NOT religious and NOT influenced in their decisions.

(and then get ye to a library or a community college for some much needed education).


More reading for you to get you started on the second question ...

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scie ... nd-belief/

yawn, (from your link)
"Indeed, the survey shows that scientists are roughly half as likely as the general public to believe in God or a higher power"
meaning that of scientists, in DT's view, are "half as likely" of being influenced in their sciencey decisions and are not even "smart"....so yeah, good luck going down this "many scientists" road, brah.
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I have no comment on nor an interest in the ruling, but as someone who is egalitarian toward T3h G@yz I don't really care if someone doesn't want to sell them a cake. I certainly don't like the idea of the government telling a baker he has to sell them a cake that contradicts his ethos. That smacks of authoritarianism and I don't like it.

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You choose to be Christian but you don't choose your sexuality. This is Christofascist skullfukkery at its finest and the attorneys know how to slip the shank into the thinnest crevice to pry the Constitution apart.
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Maksutov wrote:You choose to be Christian but you don't choose your sexuality. This is Christofascist skullfukkery at its finest and the attorneys know how to slip the shank into the thinnest crevice to pry the Constitution apart.


Hiya Mak. Which part of the Constitution do you think was pried apart here?
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subgenius wrote:meaning that of scientists, in DoubtingThomas's view, are "half as likely" of being influenced in their sciencey decisions and are not even "smart"....so yeah, good luck going down this "many scientists" road, brah.


Dude the primary definition of religion is "The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods". Most scientists do not believe in some supernatural god, let alone theology. It is much worse for you if we talk about physicists.

Stupid word games.
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canpakes wrote:
Some reading for you at the link.

http://aja.ncsc.dni.us/publications/cou ... nstein.pdf


Very Interesting canpakes. Thanks.
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honorentheos wrote:There is little that is actually rational about replacing God with science and prophets with scientists which seems to be the case in DoubtingThomas's comments. Exercising ones critical thinking skills should prevent one from arriving at the conclusion presented. .



I do replace God with scientific thinking, but scientists are not my prophets.
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