Stem wrote:Ok one more comment, Peterson is an idiot for going there to defend himself in the first place. Oh and he naming them on his blog for their stupid social media battle, trying to embarrass them or whatever is just embarrassing. Nice try though, I guess.
Greetings, Stem. It may be worth reflecting on the great pleasure DCP derives from engaging people he deems to be morons or, at least, obstinately ignorant regarding matters about which he is much better informed. Look, in his view "anti-Mormons" are incredible curiosities of whom he cannot get his fill. He considers most people here to be looney ignoramuses and so he regularly visits to peek in on our bizarre exchanges.
So, it seems to me that such a Facebook group would be right up his alley.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Stem wrote:Ok one more comment, Peterson is an idiot for going there to defend himself in the first place. Oh and he naming them on his blog for their stupid social media battle, trying to embarrass them or whatever is just embarrassing. Nice try though, I guess.
Greetings, Stem. It may be worth reflecting on the great pleasure DCP derives from engaging people he deems to be morons or, at least, obstinately ignorant regarding matters about which he is much better informed. Look, in his view "anti-Mormons" are incredible curiosities of whom he cannot get his fill. He considers most people here to be looney ignoramuses and so he regularly visits to peek in on our bizarre exchanges.
So, it seems to me that such a Facebook group would be right up his alley.
Great explanation, Kish. For as badly as he failed, I always felt a sort of admiration for Hamblin for being willing to respond to Jenkins, and I could never understand why Peterson so assiduously ignored that opportunity to engage. In my opinion, Jenkins presented a once in a lifetime opportunity for a true apologetic exchange, but apparently he didn't fit the bill for Peterson's preferred style of engagement.
Lemmie wrote:Great explanation, Kish. For as badly as he failed, I always felt a sort of admiration for Hamblin for being willing to respond to Jenkins, and I could never understand why Peterson so assiduously ignored that opportunity to engage. In my opinion, Jenkins presented a once in a lifetime opportunity for a true apologetic exchange, but apparently he didn't fit the bill for Peterson's preferred style of engagement.
Thanks, Lemmie. Yes, I always found that somewhat mysterious. Why was Hamblin allowed to go out on his own to die on that hill? Interesting.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Perhaps Hamblin didn't want any help? Maybe Hamblin thought he was actually winning the argument and therefore didn't think he needed a life preserver?
"Religion is about providing human community in the guise of solving problems that don’t exist or failing to solve problems that do and seeking to reconcile these contradictions and conceal the failures in bogus explanations otherwise known as theology." - Kishkumen
Exiled wrote:Perhaps Hamblin didn't want any help? Maybe Hamblin thought he was actually winning the argument and therefore didn't think he needed a life preserver?
Other Mopologists did jump into the fray. Neal Rappleye did, I believe. Young Smoot might have said something. I don’t recall it being a closed discussion.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Exiled wrote:Perhaps Hamblin didn't want any help? Maybe Hamblin thought he was actually winning the argument and therefore didn't think he needed a life preserver?
Other Mopologists did jump into the fray. Neal Rappleye did, I believe. Young Smoot might have said something. I don’t recall it being a closed discussion.
That's correct: Rappleye really tried to go toe-to-toe with Jenkins. Smoot commented here and there, but not in a sustained way. Meanwhile, I think that Midgley offered up a few "peanut gallery"-type remarks in the "Comments" section of "Enigmatic Mirror." And if memory serves, there was even one point during that exchange where Jenkins turned up on "Sic et Non" in order to ask DCP how he might get ahold of Hamblin.... So, there was opportunity for the other apologists to step up and assist. To me, this whole thing is emblematic of Peterson's basic cowardice. Yes, sure: he'll go "slumming it" amidst the rubes over at some obscure LDS conservatives Facebook group; heck, he will even publicly debate Michael Shermer (on some rigged, pre-arragned and basically answerless and uncontroversial question). But when it comes to central Mopologetic questions, such as whether the Book of Mormon is actually, literally historical? Nope: the spine turns to jelly on that one. The Mopologists still, to this day, have failed to supply anything resembling a response to Jenkins's arguments.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
he will even publicly debate Michael Shermer (on some rigged, pre-arragned and basically answerless and uncontroversial question). But when it comes to central Mopologetic questions, such as whether the Book of Mormon is actually, literally historical? Nope: the spine turns to jelly on that one. The Mopologists still, to this day, have failed to supply anything resembling a response to Jenkins's arguments.
It is exactly the same in regard to the Book of Abraham and responding in point by point details to Ritner on the Joseph Smith Papyri. They are bankrupt, and they KNOW it, but they want to continue the charade of testiomony for the paycheck....
Dr CamNC4Me
"Dr. Peterson and his Callithumpian cabal of BYU idiots have been marginalized by their own inevitable irrelevancy defending a fraud."
Doctor Scratch wrote:The Mopologists still, to this day, have failed to supply anything resembling a response to Jenkins's arguments.
This is why every Mormon must rethink their faith and come to grips with the lack of support for their truth claims. The special mopologist forces were challenged and failed miserably.
"Religion is about providing human community in the guise of solving problems that don’t exist or failing to solve problems that do and seeking to reconcile these contradictions and conceal the failures in bogus explanations otherwise known as theology." - Kishkumen
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I had spent the better part of this beautiful Sunday passing time with the residents of The INN Between where I was afforded the opportunity to wash the humblest of our fellow brothers' and sisters' feet, change puss-riddled bandages, feed those who hunger, and share in their stories where sadly their survival is quite literally weeks and months away before they're called home to their Maker. I felt compelled, as it were, to serve my fellow man on a day where our Lord and Savior might give us cause to reflect on the plight of others. - Doc
Doctor Scratch wrote:The Mopologists still, to this day, have failed to supply anything resembling a response to Jenkins's arguments.
Indeed! And I think it is fair to say that, as a result, the traditional fundamentalist (ergo, inherently modernist) view of Joseph Smith’s translations has become the intellectual equivalent of Young Earth Creationism or Flat Earth. Which is to say that there is no substance. It is a retrograde, if not openly risible, position.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist