The Lord was behind the recent financial fraud scandal.

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Re: The Lord was behind the recent financial fraud scandal.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Jun 02, 2025 9:11 pm
One might ask why the God of the Universe would be involved in the day-to-day, month-to-month operations of an institutional church in regard to its finances.
It the Church in its new essay that is making that claim.

From the quote in the OP
All financial matters in the Church are ultimately subject to the Lord’s direction through His chosen leaders.
So that’s “All financial matters”. Which includes the decades long scheme to commit securities fraud. You might want to ask your leaders the questions you seem to think the critics are obligated to answer, as it is they that are making the assertion you disagree with.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: The Lord was behind the recent financial fraud scandal.

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Mag’ladroth wrote:
Mon Jun 02, 2025 9:31 pm
The basic facts of the matter is that the Church leadership directed Ensign Peak to commit securities fraud. For decades. All while preaching honesty.
And despite being caught red handed, they are now trying to portray to the membership that they can trust the leadership to do the right thing with donated funds because The Lord is behind ALL financial decisions.

And get this, nobody was sacked over it, nobody was removed from their calling over it, and nobody had the integrity or moral fibre to resign over it.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: The Lord was behind the recent financial fraud scandal.

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:!:
I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Jun 03, 2025 6:18 am
Mag’ladroth wrote:
Mon Jun 02, 2025 9:31 pm
The basic facts of the matter is that the Church leadership directed Ensign Peak to commit securities fraud. For decades. All while preaching honesty.
And despite being caught red handed, they are now trying to portray to the membership that they can trust the leadership to do the right thing with donated funds because The Lord is behind ALL financial decisions.

And get this, nobody was sacked over it, nobody was removed from their calling over it, and nobody had the integrity or moral fibre to resign over it.
Having the second anointing means never having to say you’re sorry I guess!
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I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Jun 03, 2025 6:18 am
Mag’ladroth wrote:
Mon Jun 02, 2025 9:31 pm
The basic facts of the matter is that the Church leadership directed Ensign Peak to commit securities fraud. For decades. All while preaching honesty.
And despite being caught red handed, they are now trying to portray to the membership that they can trust the leadership to do the right thing with donated funds because The Lord is behind ALL financial decisions.

And get this, nobody was sacked over it, nobody was removed from their calling over it, and nobody had the integrity or moral fibre to resign over it.
I think two people in Ensign Peak who were managing the fake clone companies did resign or asked to be replaced when the figured out what was going on. I am not sure if they quit or are still working some other role. My guess is they were sent packing. The church doesn't tolerate disobedience.
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Mag’ladroth wrote:
Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:13 pm
Blaming God for committing securities fraud is very on brand for Mormonism.
The big 15 are the Trump of the religious world. Too un-self-aware to see their errors. Blame their shortcomings on anyone else, especially god.
"The truth has no defense against a fool determined to believe a lie." – Mark Twain
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Mag’ladroth wrote:
Tue Jun 03, 2025 10:50 am
:!:
I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Jun 03, 2025 6:18 am
And despite being caught red handed, they are now trying to portray to the membership that they can trust the leadership to do the right thing with donated funds because The Lord is behind ALL financial decisions.

And get this, nobody was sacked over it, nobody was removed from their calling over it, and nobody had the integrity or moral fibre to resign over it.
Having the second anointing means never having to say you’re sorry I guess!
like the Preppy reference. My turn. Mormonism means never thinking for yourself.
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“We are not a wealthy people but we are good people, and we share what we have." Elder Anderson to VP Mohadi in Zimbabwe after Mohadi asked for help with developing clean water wells, while Ensign Peak's hoard was about $32 billion within its 13 fraudulent shell companies. About a year later, with all that "sharing," EP's holdings were purportedly nearly tripled.
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Re: The Lord was behind the recent financial fraud scandal.

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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Tue Jun 03, 2025 4:23 pm
“We are not a wealthy people but we are good people, and we share what we have."
Uh….whats the average income of a Mormon in SLC again?
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Tue Jun 03, 2025 4:23 pm
“We are not a wealthy people but we are good people, and we share what we have." Elder Anderson to VP Mohadi in Zimbabwe after Mohadi asked for help with developing clean water wells, while Ensign Peak's hoard was about $32 billion within its 13 fraudulent shell companies. About a year later, with all that "sharing," EP's holdings were purportedly nearly tripled.
That's the one that makes me sick to this day.
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All kidding aside, what they did was federal document perjury, which is fraud. It’s endlessly frustrating to see the extreme intellectual dishonesty at FAIR, trying to justify or minimize the fact that Ensign Peak committed deliberate fraud, hundreds of times for many many years, and only stopped once they were caught and threatened with proceedings (litigation).
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