Mormon Church, wrong again re masturbation

[_harmony]

They are single LDS men. Why should they be precluded from engaging in the same behavior as other single LDS men, simply because their partner is also a single LDS man? They aren't having sex, Ab. They're holding hands and dancing.

Other single LDS men would be told not to do it either even if they are heterosexual (not that they would).

Baloney. Straight single LDS men are told to not hold hands with a girl, and not dance with a girl? You're grasping at straws, Ab.

If I hold hands with my bishop's wife, I'm not having sex, but you can bet I'd be in trouble.

Neither one of those LDS men were married, Ab. They're all single. Some of them are gay, some of them are straight. Why would the same behavior get the gay ones booted from the building, while everyone just smiles at the straight ones?

The difference is that we allow single LDS men to flirt with women because that is a step towards dating, then courtship, and finally marriage. We don't single gays to take even a small step towards marriage with each other any more than we want single heterosexuals to take a step towards adultery with someone else's spouse.

That's baloney too. 16 year olds aren't looking for marriage, yet they hold hands, they dance, they kiss. Even some 30 year olds aren't looking for marriage, yet they exhibit the same behaviors.

Show me something with some authority, Ab. Why is innocent, nonsexual behavior condoned in heterosexual men and condemned in gay men?

[_asbestosman]

Baloney. Straight single LDS men are told to not hold hands with a girl, and not dance with a girl? You're grasping at straws, Ab.

Not what I meant. I was saying that if heterosexual men held hands it'd be the same.

If I hold hands with my bishop's wife, I'm not having sex, but you can bet I'd be in trouble.

Neither one of those LDS men were married, Ab. They're all single. Some of them are gay, some of them are straight. Why would the same behavior get the gay ones booted from the building, while everyone just smiles at the straight ones?

see below.

That's baloney too. 16 year olds aren't looking for marriage, yet they hold hands, they dance, they kiss. Even some 30 year olds aren't looking for marriage, yet they exhibit the same behaviors.

Flirting is the first step in the direction of marriage. 16 year olds are old enough to take the first step even if they are not old enough to actually get on the marriage train. 30 year olds may not be looking for marriage, but they are eligable for it with the opposite sex and perhaps they will have a change of heart.

Show me something with some authority, Ab. Why is innocent, nonsexual behavior condoned in heterosexual men and condemned in gay men?

Authority? The church could change its stance on homosexuality tomorrow just as with blacks and the priesthood. As long as the church is banning homosexual unions it is logical for it to block off the path which leads to marriage. If holding hands is innocent, then as a married man I'd be allowed to still do it with other women. That they allow single men to do it but not married men says that that difference has something to do with protecting marriage or encouraging marriage. The church does not want to encourage marriage between homosexuals.

[_karl61]

Gaz posted this as a response to my post but I thought it could be a new cover for Boyd K Packers talk "for young men only"

[_Gazelam]

The church could change its stance on homosexuality tomorrow just as with blacks and the priesthood.

Except for the fact that the priesthood ban is based on scripture and doctrine and the lifting of the ban is doctrinaly based as well.

There is no possible contortion of doctrine in any way shape or form to ever possibly lift the ban on homosexuality. Homosexuality is against the plan of salvation in every way imaginable. It is a breaking of the law of chastity and about as far from the nature of God as is humanly possible. God has chosen the name of Father to be known by. Homosexual relationships are incapable of producing fathers.

[_asbestosman]

Homosexual relationships are incapable of producing fathers.

Actually, with a little stem-cell magic I think it might be capable. Regardless, the church isn't punishing bachelors and bachelorettes. I don't see how the plan is furthered by telling gays they can't marry. If they can't marry, then they're bachelors which isn't necessarily any better in an eternal increase of children perspective than being together with another man.

[_Brackite]

Hello Again Here,

Where in the New Testament or the Book of Mormon does it condemn the practice of masturbation? I know that there are several places in the Book of Mormon where it condemns the practice of Polygamy. However, I am Not aware of anywhere in the Book of Mormon or the New Testament where it condemns the practice of masturbation.

[_Sethbag]

Harmony,

Heterosexuals can hold hands, kiss, embrace, dance close, nuzzle, flirt, socialize with like-minded adults. How do you suppose the branch president would react, were that to happen between two gay men at a single's ward dance?

that's when you call together the Elders Quorum or Priests Quorum and throw them out of the building and escort them off the property. Violently if need be. Tell them they are only welcome back if they clean up their act.

Violently? What about this scenario justifies violence? Gaz, you scare me sometimes. It's people with attitudes like yours that justify every single word that Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, and Richard Dawkins ever said, wrote, or even pondered about religion.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

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[_Boaz & Lidia]

[_Pa Pa]

Men who frequently masturbate appear to have a lower risk of developing prostate cancer, Australian researchers have reported.

Researchers from the Cancer Council of Victoria found that men who masturbated more than five times each week were a third less likely to develop the cancer.

The study surveyed 1,000 men who developed prostate cancer and 1,250 men who did not, between the ages of 20 and 50, it is reported by PlanetOut.

Researchers told the BBC last week that the prostate produces one of the fluids involved in ejaculation and that frequent masturbation appears to flush out carcinogens.

Sexual intercourse may not have the same effect because it increases the risk of contracting a sexually transmitted disease, which could raise the risk of cancer, it is reported.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352276,00.html

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