What are the chances of Trump's political survival to 2020?

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Re: What are the chances of Trump's political survival to 20

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EAllusion wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
The US founding fathers could not have foreseen what is effectively the rise of privatized tyranny, rivaling and even supplanting government authority, and it’s something we are going to have to address as a democracy.

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You might enjoy this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Private-Governme ... 0691176515

It's exactly on this subject and is one of the best philosophy books intended for mass consumption to be published in some time.

ETA: I suppose I should include the book's self-promotional blurb:

Why our workplaces are authoritarian private governments―and why we can't see it

One in four American workers says their workplace is a "dictatorship." Yet that number probably would be even higher if we recognized most employers for what they are―private governments with sweeping authoritarian power over our lives, on duty and off. We normally think of government as something only the state does, yet many of us are governed far more―and far more obtrusively―by the private government of the workplace. In this provocative and compelling book, Elizabeth Anderson argues that the failure to see this stems from long-standing confusions. These confusions explain why, despite all evidence to the contrary, we still talk as if free markets make workers free―and why so many employers advocate less government even while they act as dictators in their businesses.

In many workplaces, employers minutely regulate workers' speech, clothing, and manners, leaving them with little privacy and few other rights. And employers often extend their authority to workers' off-duty lives. Workers can be fired for their political speech, recreational activities, diet, and almost anything else employers care to govern. Yet we continue to talk as if early advocates of market society―from John Locke and Adam Smith to Thomas Paine and Abraham Lincoln―were right when they argued that it would free workers from oppressive authorities. That dream was shattered by the Industrial Revolution, but the myth endures.

Private Government offers a better way to talk about the workplace, opening up space for discovering how workers can enjoy real freedom.

Based on the prestigious Tanner Lectures delivered at Princeton University's Center for Human Values, Private Government is edited and introduced by Stephen Macedo and includes commentary by cultural critic David Bromwich, economist Tyler Cowen, historian Ann Hughes, and philosopher Niko Kolodny.

That looks like a great read. I have an audible.com credit to blow and, while it seemed like a long shot, thought I'd see if it was available in audiobook format to listen to while working. When the title didn't get a hit I tried the author's name. Did not know there was that much erotic fiction on audible.com.

Anyway, hardcopy on the way. I appreciate your posting about it.
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Re: What are the chances of Trump's political survival to 20

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If you start looking into his Russian 'business' relationships you realize pretty quickly he's pretty deep into their culture of 'Kompromat', and to a lesser degree with the Saudi. What's even more concerning is Ukraine, thanks to Manafort, was the test bed for what they did here in the US. The Russians through Manafort did virtually the same thing here.

I'm not sure how true this is because Russia is kind of struggling right now, but it's being reported from a couple of their news organizations they're moving forward with a base in the Caribbean. If allowed this is yet another obvious sign they know Trump is in their pocket since virtually every other President would oppose this move vigorously.

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Also, it should be noted that Trump replaced General Kelly with this piece of crap:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Mulvaney fired all 25 members of the Consumer Advisory Board because they had the audacity to ask him to hold required meetings to discuss the state of the CFPB.


Mulvaney's tl;dr - Increasing the federal deficit (he's the one that basically got Trump to blow up our deficit), unironically shutting down the government, rarely shows up to work, less transparency, and bribing (he'll only talk to people who donate to him; not making that up). He also supports stealing from taxpayers, not paying taxes, and pay day lenders who have charged up to 950% interest (the people who primarily donate money to him). One thing he does not support is Planned Parenthood, because he is against the "trafficking in pieces of dead children".

You can go down the Google rabbit hole with this one. The guy is perfect for the Trump admin. This is the man Trump hired to run his White House. This is the man he chose to replace General Kelly with.

Good thing I have the ability to type right now because I'm speechless.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Also, it should be noted that Trump replaced General Kelly with this piece of crap:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

Mulvaney fired all 25 members of the Consumer Advisory Board because they had the audacity to ask him to hold required meetings to discuss the state of the CFPB.


Mulvaney's tl;dr - Increasing the federal deficit (he's the one that basically got Trump to blow up our deficit), unironically shutting down the government, rarely shows up to work, less transparency, and bribing (he'll only talk to people who donate to him; not making that up). He also supports stealing from taxpayers, not paying taxes, and pay day lenders who have charged up to 950% interest (the people who primarily donate money to him). One thing he does not support is Planned Parenthood, because he is against the "trafficking in pieces of dead children".

You can go down the Google rabbit hole with this one. The guy is perfect for the Trump admin. This is the man Trump hired to run his White House. This is the man he chose to replace General Kelly with.

Good thing I have the ability to type right now because I'm speechless.

- Doc

i missed the part where this had anything to do with this thread or the OP.

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...and citing the Post? geez.
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Because he keeps hiring criminals which in turn will work against him when it comes to GOP support. It works against him because it brings more scrutiny which in turn will erode any support for him if and when he's indicted or impeached.

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- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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This is not good for the Trump organization:
https://www.vox.com/2018/12/19/18148110 ... 9TseIbo9dI
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I have no dealings with Russia, I have no deals in Russia, I have no deals that could happen in Russia because we stayed away,” Trump said. “We could make deals in Russia very easily if we wanted to. I just don’t want to because I think that would be a conflict. So I have no loans, no dealings, and no current pending deals.


- Doc
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: What are the chances of Trump's political survival to 20

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Good think Trump's lawyer wasn't out there saying there was deal but it wasn't signed...

ETA: So far nearly every story has gone something like this:
  • Trump totally didn't do that alleged thing
  • I mean, maybe something kind of happened but not like you're suggesting
  • OK it happened, but it isn't really illegal
  • Yeah he did it, but what are we to do *shrug*
Get me off this wild ride please.
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