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[_Blixa]

Let me just say that Mormonism is not compatible with the atheism movement.

[_Runtu]

Let me just say that Mormonism is not compatible with the atheism movement.

I literally LOLed on that one. Too perfect.

[_Buffalo]

There is not too much that I take offense at, mild-mannered atheist that I am, but this is really pushing it. I have a low functioning (regressive) autistic child, who has taken 4 years of intensive, invasive, expensive behavior therapy to get him from the state of sitting in a corner poking his fingers in his eyes, to his current mixed state (he is a year ahead academically, but we have had a full-blown Search and Rescue operation this year, several police callouts for less serious escaping, and poo-smearing and outright vandalism incidents are down to weekly rather than daily occurrences.

If I had taken the advice of my TBM family, I would have been reassured that he had a direct line to the CK and he would still be sitting in a corner poking his eyes out and playing with his poos, while people prayed over him. I would not have been able to afford the therapy as I would've course have not only kept breeding, but as the therapy took virtually all my net income, paying a 10% cut from both my husband and myself to the church would have left nothing but prayers for the boy.

Jason's view of atheists would have me euthanizing the boy once we found out how seriously he was affected, and trying again for a healthy one next time. Jason displays a complete absence of understanding of what it is to evolve as an social species, with compassion, empathy, and love as natural consequences.

Ethics and virtues are naturally emergent qualities of self-aware, intelligent, social species - but sadly they are often subject to the perverting influences of organized religion and other artificial authoritarian cultural influences which arose after we started to congregate in groups larger than our social cognitive skill had evolved to handle.

If some of these believers are so mentally unhealthy (presumably from perverted religious indoctrination as children) that they would turn into feral murderers and rapists without having a magical all-seeing eye watching their every move, then we do have a lot to fear from the ones, like Mark Hoffman, who discover that it as all a hoax and go on a rampage.

Jason is an example of the dangers of bad religious indoctrination of children destroying their natural emergent ethics. A warning against those who think Mormonism is a great way to raise children.

When atheists get together to discuss their natural ethical inclinations, cool things happen.

Absolutely brilliant. Thank you for posting this.

[_Nomomo]

Is there anyone more hilarious as cdowis at MADhouse?
That cdowis really cracks me up!

Makes me wonder where I would be intellectually if my twenty years of apologetics had been on the existence of deity, rather than Mormonism.

Nah.....

The very existence of the Book of Mormon is proof of deity, unlike the Bible. You can accept large parts of the Bible as historical, but remain content in your atheist views. It was delivered through the transmission of documents, discovered in situ by certified archeologists and scientists. The age of the papyri can easily be determined in the thousands of years. I can read the documents, either as a believer or disbeliever. Was David an actual historical figure? No problem. (But when we get to Moses and the Exodus, that becomes abit dicey.)

Now in the Book of Mormon we find such individuals as Lemhi, Mosiah, Coriantumr, etc. If we could prove just ONE of those were actual historical figures, we got a problem. We don't have ancient documents, but a book delivered by an angel, supposedly translated by.... get this... a man who actually spoke to God. Yep, God came to him and called his as his spokesman.

I cannot accept ANY aspect of the Book of Mormon as historical without facing that religious baggage it carries with it. A disbeliever, the atheist, must fight tooth and nail against any suggestion that there is even a particle of evidence for this book delivered by an angel. Nothing about it can be allowed within the limits of legitimate scientific inquiry. Any evidence for the Book of Mormon is evidence for the existence of deity.

Best of luck, folks, with your philosophical twisting and turning, but the best evidence for deity is something that you can hold in your hands. Open your mind and investigate that book, and you will find the proof that you are looking for.

[_Blixa]

Its too big to quote. Just take a look at this bit of racial speculation:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/topic/ ... hi-lehies/

Could albinos in Native American tribes have some connection with Lamanites having the curse removed from them? Inquiring "minds" apparently want to know...

[_Runtu]

Its too big to quote. Just take a look at this bit of racial speculation:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/topic/ ... hi-lehies/

Could albinos in Native American tribes have some connection with Lamanites having the curse removed from them? Inquiring "minds" apparently want to know...

Dammit, I have to resist the temptation to look at such stuff. What a depressing thread.

[_Blixa]

ok premortal exsistance {as we l.d.s know it to be} has been picked,chewed,spat upon, burned,flocked and everything else over the years... i have found yet another point to throw out at the non beleivers, "We all know from the Bible of the third part of the angels of heaven were cast out with satan correct?.. ok.. so then in jude 1;6 it tells of those "cast out" angels to be reserved in chains until the JUDGEMENT DAY;, ssssoooo if those angels are to be held to stand before God on that day.. AND so are all of us to do the same...hhhhmmmmmmmmm?/ lots and lots O explainin on this one dontcha think? {obvious premortal exsistance for them} and they are to be held accountable to the very same excat judgement bar as are all of us....hhhmmmmmmmmm?? :)

wut?

[_Blixa]

For liz:

What's With Happy Val;eu and Plastic Surgery? My poor shocked granddaughters on a trip to Utah

My daughter and familyjust resturned from a trip to Utah. My 2 teenage granddaughters were shocked/horrified/outraged at the tacky advertising for plastc surgery that was portrayed on the freeway between SLC and Provo. They counted 14 large billboards, and two of them with slogans so tacky they wouldn't tell their grandma what they actually said.

this is from http://www.ezinearticle.com "Plastic surgery in Utah is so common that Salt Lake City was voted the "vainest" city by Forbes magazine. Don't believe it? The study looked at the number of plastic surgeons per capita and compared the top 50 cities in the U.S. Salt Lake City has six plastic surgeons for every 100,000 people. New York City has four plastic surgeons per 100,000 residents and Los Angeles has 4.1 per 100,000 people. Miami claims 5.2 plastic surgeons per every 100,000."

Mormons out here in Oregon aren't that vain. What's wrong with Utah Mormons?

Maybe the best part is that Zakuska later disputes this---he took a drive and only found FOUR such billboards!

[_Blixa]

Let's just stick with the fact that the gay people are not the same as or equal to the straight people. There are some differences.

Do you recognize that fact ?

If you do, then why do you think we should treat each group the "same as" or "equal to" each other, when there are those differences?

With straight people, men want to marry women and women want to marry men.

To treat the gays equally or the same as the straight people, we should let the men marry the women and the women marry the men just the same as the straight people do, but that's not what the gay people want. They don't want the same treatment. They want things a little different, with the men being able to marry other men while the women marry other women, which is not the way things work in the straight world.

Do you get it now?

Would it help if I drew you a picture???

What you're advocating for is different treatement, because you want the men to be able to marry the men instead of only the women, and that's different than the way things are right now with normal, regular, plain ole run of the mill marriage.

If you want things to be the same, there don't need to be any changes.

[_Calculus Crusader]

Let me just say that Mormonism is not compatible with the atheism movement.

Oh ****, that was a good one!