The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's Ills

[MG 2.0]

Again, I'll leave this with what I've already said:



I'm not a lawyer, as you are, but I know when I've said something that is either being misrepresented or ignored.

I'll leave it there recognizing that, in my opinion, you have no substantiative response to looking at the crux of the presentation which I gave. I was hoping either you or malkie would do so.



Regards,
MG

As I said, simply repeating things you posted before I posted is non responsive. And I shouldn't have to point you to my posts where I responded to the claims in your quoted post. Scroll up.

Apparently, you don't know when you have been misrepresented or ignored. You haven't shown an example of either. You do know how to play the martyr.

OK. I think I understand better the dynamics of conversing with critics.

I won't press my point/argument. There are certain demarcation lines which shall not be crossed. Conjecture and hypotheticals being two of them.

The unwritten order of things.

Martyr. Sheesh.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

As I said, simply repeating things you posted before I posted is non responsive. And I shouldn't have to point you to my posts where I responded to the claims in your quoted post. Scroll up.

Apparently, you don't know when you have been misrepresented or ignored. You haven't shown an example of either. You do know how to play the martyr.

OK. I think I understand better the dynamics of conversing with critics.

I won't press my point/argument. There are certain demarcation lines which shall not be crossed. Conjecture and hypotheticals being two of them.

The unwritten order of things.

Martyr. Sheesh.

Regards,
MG

You realise that you’ve just played the martyr, right?

[malkie]

OK. I think I understand better the dynamics of conversing with critics.

I won't press my point/argument. There are certain demarcation lines which shall not be crossed. Conjecture and hypotheticals being two of them.

The unwritten order of things.

Martyr. Sheesh.

Regards,
MG

You realise that you’ve just played the martyr, right?

I find it quite tiresome. in my opinion, MG displays no more or less understanding of "the dynamics of conversing with critics" than he ever did.

Many of us - including MG - leave replies to comments without responses, and leave questions unanswered. If MG had been paying attention for the past x years while participating here, he would already know this, and understand the part he plays.

If he had read, understood, and internalized what Res, in particular, wrote recently, MG could save himself a lot of angst - or, at least, would perhaps feel less inclined to display such angst in public. But I assume that it serves his purpose to hint that there's some kind of "anti-MG" conspiracy going on here.

As far as "conjecture and hypotheticals" is concerned, MG has indulged in both at least as much as anyone else, while complaining about others doing so.

[Limnor]

I’m seeing a lot of selective reading here, and frankly it feels like folks are interpreting MG’s comments the way someone squints at a Monet, blurry, impressionistic, and mostly projecting whatever they’re predisposed to see. MG has been clear, consistent, and patient, yet somehow that gets twisted into “sidestepping.”

If people had been following his posts over the years, I mean really following them, they’d understand that he’s not the one sidestepping. He’s been remarkably consistent. But when consistency gets reframed as evasiveness, what can you do? It’s almost as if certain posters are committed to misunderstanding him.

And, look, the idea that he’s inventing some kind of “anti-MG” sentiment is interesting. He’s not saying that, he’s just pointing out patterns that have been obvious to anyone paying attention. Whether folks want to admit that or not is their choice.

If people actually engaged with what MG means, and not what they’ve decided he must mean, this wouldn’t be such a recurring issue. But maybe clarity just isn’t appealing when the critic narrative is already painted in broad strokes.

Anyway, I’m sure MG doesn’t expect agreement, but he probably does expect a little more balance and a little less presumption. If that’s unreasonable, then so be it. I’ll leave it there for now.

- A satirical field note submitted by Limnor, First-year Adjunct Fellow, Cassius University Department of Applied Mopologetic Studies.

[MG 2.0]

I’m seeing a lot of selective reading here, and frankly it feels like folks are interpreting MG’s comments the way someone squints at a Monet, blurry, impressionistic, and mostly projecting whatever they’re predisposed to see. MG has been clear, consistent, and patient, yet somehow that gets twisted into “sidestepping.”

If people had been following his posts over the years, I mean really following them, they’d understand that he’s not the one sidestepping. He’s been remarkably consistent. But when consistency gets reframed as evasiveness, what can you do? It’s almost as if certain posters are committed to misunderstanding him.

And, look, the idea that he’s inventing some kind of “anti-MG” sentiment is interesting. He’s not saying that, he’s just pointing out patterns that have been obvious to anyone paying attention. Whether folks want to admit that or not is their choice.

If people actually engaged with what MG means, and not what they’ve decided he must mean, this wouldn’t be such a recurring issue. But maybe clarity just isn’t appealing when the critic narrative is already painted in broad strokes.

Anyway, I’m sure MG doesn’t expect agreement, but he probably does expect a little more balance and a little less presumption. If that’s unreasonable, then so be it. I’ll leave it there for now.

- A satirical field note submitted by Limnor, First-year Adjunct Fellow, Cassius University Department of Applied Mopologetic Studies.

Nice. What more can really be said?

Regards from a lone visionary whose brush strokes you dull literalists can’t appreciate. Creator of Magic Eye posters that none can decipher except for those that are willing to take the time and effort to see.

[MG 2.0]

You realise that you’ve just played the martyr, right?

I find it quite tiresome. in my opinion, MG displays no more or less understanding of "the dynamics of conversing with critics" than he ever did.

Many of us - including MG - leave replies to comments without responses, and leave questions unanswered. If MG had been paying attention for the past x years while participating here, he would already know this, and understand the part he plays.

If he had read, understood, and internalized what Res, in particular, wrote recently, MG could save himself a lot of angst - or, at least, would perhaps feel less inclined to display such angst in public. But I assume that it serves his purpose to hint that there's some kind of "anti-MG" conspiracy going on here.

As far as "conjecture and hypotheticals" is concerned, MG has indulged in both at least as much as anyone else, while complaining about others doing so.

I don't have any interest in playing the martyr. When I participate and add something that I think is useful it might be better for all involved if I don't expect a response to questions I may pose. If I get a response, then well, that's gravy. That may take a little patience and tolerance on my part. I suppose if a similar degree of patience and tolerance is exercised all the way around we may see less friction and less time wasted in pointing fingers, etc.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

I find it quite tiresome. in my opinion, MG displays no more or less understanding of "the dynamics of conversing with critics" than he ever did.

Many of us - including MG - leave replies to comments without responses, and leave questions unanswered. If MG had been paying attention for the past x years while participating here, he would already know this, and understand the part he plays.

If he had read, understood, and internalized what Res, in particular, wrote recently, MG could save himself a lot of angst - or, at least, would perhaps feel less inclined to display such angst in public. But I assume that it serves his purpose to hint that there's some kind of "anti-MG" conspiracy going on here.

As far as "conjecture and hypotheticals" is concerned, MG has indulged in both at least as much as anyone else, while complaining about others doing so.

I don't have any interest in playing the martyr. When I participate and add something that I think is useful it might be better for all involved if I don't expect a response to questions I may pose. If I get a response, then well, that's gravy. That may take a little patience and tolerance on my part. I suppose if a similar degree of patience and tolerance is exercised all the way around we may see less friction and less time wasted in pointing fingers, etc.

Regards,
MG

More martyr playing.

[malkie]

I find it quite tiresome. in my opinion, MG displays no more or less understanding of "the dynamics of conversing with critics" than he ever did.

Many of us - including MG - leave replies to comments without responses, and leave questions unanswered. If MG had been paying attention for the past x years while participating here, he would already know this, and understand the part he plays.

If he had read, understood, and internalized what Res, in particular, wrote recently, MG could save himself a lot of angst - or, at least, would perhaps feel less inclined to display such angst in public. But I assume that it serves his purpose to hint that there's some kind of "anti-MG" conspiracy going on here.

As far as "conjecture and hypotheticals" is concerned, MG has indulged in both at least as much as anyone else, while complaining about others doing so.

I don't have any interest in playing the martyr. When I participate and add something that I think is useful it might be better for all involved if I don't expect a response to questions I may pose. If I get a response, then well, that's gravy. That may take a little patience and tolerance on my part. I suppose if a similar degree of patience and tolerance is exercised all the way around we may see less friction and less time wasted in pointing fingers, etc.

Regards,
MG

No offense was intended - just calling a spade a spade.

[MG 2.0]

I don't have any interest in playing the martyr. When I participate and add something that I think is useful it might be better for all involved if I don't expect a response to questions I may pose. If I get a response, then well, that's gravy. That may take a little patience and tolerance on my part. I suppose if a similar degree of patience and tolerance is exercised all the way around we may see less friction and less time wasted in pointing fingers, etc.

Regards,
MG

No offense was intended - just calling a spade a spade.

We all do that, don't we?

Regards,
MG

[Limnor]

Field Note #77, Addendum 2:

In response to the observer’s prior satirical analysis, the specimen has now entered what we classify as the Visionary Self-Mythologizing Phase, a behavioral pattern in which the subject reimagines himself as an underappreciated artist whose works can only be discerned by initiates possessing sufficient spiritual squinting power.

The subject relocates the interpretive burden onto the audience, who are recast as “literalists” incapable of perceiving the hidden Magic Eye revelation embedded in his prose.

The effect is to transform ordinary forum dialogue into a kind of mystical Rorschach exercise. Researchers should note that this stage, while charming, typically precedes a tactical withdrawal.

- WML