Bible verse by verse

[_Bazooka]

A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest....

[_maklelan]

God can and in fact Ahab does. You sure know how to dig a hole for yourself. You don't believe in Bible inerrancy, and yet when I present the jest

*gist

of the story, you get all bent out of shape because it's not an exact translation.

No, because it is a manipulative translation that presents the exact opposite of what the text says. Why you shared this story is beyond me. It has no relevance to anything.

This is what I see being implied. It really shouldn't matter at all to you. You pick and choose what your

*you're

willing to believe anyway. Just imagine it's another Creation, Flood, and Exodus Tale and you will make yourself feel better.

Mindless nonsense.

[_LittleNipper]

God can and in fact Ahab does. You sure know how to dig a hole for yourself. You don't believe in Bible inerrancy, and yet when I present the jest

*gist

of the story, you get all bent out of shape because it's not an exact translation.

No, because it is a manipulative translation that presents the exact opposite of what the text says. Why you shared this story is beyond me. It has no relevance to anything.

This is what I see being implied. It really shouldn't matter at all to you. You pick and choose what your

*you're

willing to believe anyway. Just imagine it's another Creation, Flood, and Exodus Tale and you will make yourself feel better.

Mindless nonsense.

You are but a pawn. You believe what is convenient and acceptable to this age. I know the Flood happened because Jesus confirmed it happened. Jesus never lied. If it were not so, He would have said. His disciples wrote down what Jesus taught them Himself. Which was what God wanted, as God wanted it, by means of the Holy Spirit. I see enough contradictions in evolution and uniformitarianism to comfortably say that they are missing the mark and lots of data --- if not misunderstand the data which they have. Evolutionists are far too human to know it all without God's revelation. And I see all kinds of holes in Mormonism with its "prophet" control/worship. Jesus is God and not "a god" I may not understand, every how, when and wherefore but I do accept God at His word and I accept His "Word." I'm not going to continue speaking to you. You do have talents, but they are totally worthless unless you give them to God. I do pray that God brings you to the knowledge of His saving grace and that you repent of your filthy rags... I now return to the Bible verse by verse from a Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Bible Believing, Born Again perspective.

[Guest]

117 pages and Nipper is yet to see this.
I'm not holding my breath....

You're right, of course. We both have long been aware that LittleNipper only sees what he wants to see.

I accept the Bible. I do not reject it. Do you accept the Bible or reject the Bible?

[Guest]

2 Kings 1:1-18 After King Ahab’s death, the land of Moab rebelled against Israel. One day Israel’s new king, Ahaziah, fell through the latticework of an upper room at his palace in Samaria and was seriously injured. So he sent messengers to the pagan temple of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron, to ask whether he would recover. The angel of the Lord told Elijah, a Tishbe, to confront the messengers of the king of Samaria and ask them, "Is there no God in Israel? Why are you going to Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron, to ask whether the king will recover? Now, therefore, this is what the Lord says: You will never leave the bed you are lying on; you will die." So Elijah went to deliver the message.

5 When the messengers returned to the king, he asked them why they returned so soon?

6 They replied that a man found them and told them to go back to the king and give King Ahaziah the message that the angel of the Lord gave to Elijah. The king ask what sort of man he was and what did he look like? They said he was a hairy man, and he wore a leather belt around his waist.

Ahazaih recognized Elijah immediately, and sent an army captain with 50 soldiers to arrest him. They found him sitting on top of a hill. The captain said that the king had commanded Elijah to come with them. Elijah replied to the captain, “If I am a man of God, let fire come down from heaven and destroy you and your fifty men!” Fire fell from heaven and burned them up..

The king sent another captain with 50 men. The captain said to him, “Man of God, the king demands that you come down at once.” Elijah replied, “If I am a man of God, let fire come down from heaven and destroy you and your fifty men!” Again the fire of God fell from heaven and consumed them all.

The king sent a third captain with 50 men. But this captain went up the hill and fell to his knees before Elijah. And begged him, “O man of God, please spare my life and the lives of these, your fifty servants. 14 See how the fire from heaven came down and destroyed the first two groups. But now please spare my life!”

Then the angel of the Lord said to Elijah, “Go down with him, and don’t be afraid of him.” Elijah got up and went with him to the king. Elijah said to the king, “This is what the Lord says: Why did you send messengers to Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron, to ask whether you will recover? Is there no God in Israel to answer your question? Therefore, because you have done this, you will never leave the bed you are lying on; you will surely die.”

So Ahaziah died, just as the Lord had promised through Elijah. Since Ahaziah did not have a son to succeed him, however; his brother Joram became the next king. This took place in the second year of the reign of Jehoram son of Jehoshaphat, king of Judah, for he had no son.


The rest of the events in Ahaziah’s reign are recorded in the book of the Chronicles of the kings of Israel.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And Moab transgresseth against Israel after the death of Ahab,

2 and Ahaziah falleth through the lattice in his upper chamber that [is] in Samaria, and is sick, and sendeth messengers, and saith unto them, `Go ye, inquire of Baal-Zebub god of Ekron if I recover from this sickness.'

3 And a messenger of Jehovah hath spoken unto Elijah the Tishbite, `Rise, go up to meet the messengers of the king of Samaria, and speak unto them, Is it because there is not a God in Israel -- ye are going to inquire of Baal Zebub god of Ekron?

4 and therefore, thus said Jehovah, The bed whither thou hast gone up, thou dost not come down from it, for thou dost certainly die;' and Elijah goeth on.

5 And the messengers turn back unto him, and he saith unto them, `What [is] this -- ye have turned back!'

6 And they say unto him, `A man hath come up to meet us, and saith unto us, Go, turn back unto the king who sent you, and ye have said unto him, Thus said Jehovah, Is it because there is not a God in Israel -- thou art sending to inquire of Baal-Zebub god of Ekron? therefore, the bed whither thou hast gone up, thou dost not come down from it, for thou dost certainly die.'

7 And he saith unto them, `What [is] the fashion of the man who hath come up to meet you, and speaketh unto you these words?'

8 And they say unto him, `A man -- hairy, and a girdle of skin girt about his loins;' and he saith, `He [is] Elijah the Tishbite.'

9 And he sendeth unto him a head of fifty and his fifty, and he goeth up unto him (and lo, he is sitting on the top of the hill), and he speaketh unto him, `O man of God, the king hath spoken, Come down.'

10 And Elijah answereth and speaketh unto the head of the fifty, `And if I [am] a man of God, fire doth come down from the heavens, and consume thee and thy fifty;' and fire cometh down from the heavens, and consumeth him and his fifty.

11 And he turneth and sendeth unto him another head of fifty and his fifty, and he answereth and speaketh unto him, `O man of God, thus said the king, Haste, come down.'

12 And Elijah answereth and speaketh unto them, `If I [am] a man of God, fire doth come down from the heavens, and consume thee and thy fifty;' and fire of God cometh down from the heavens, and consumeth him and his fifty.

13 And he turneth and sendeth a third head of fifty and his fifty, and the third head of fifty goeth up, and cometh in, and boweth on his knees over-against Elijah, and maketh supplication unto him, and speaketh unto him, `O man of God, let be precious, I pray thee, my soul and the soul of thy servants -- these fifty -- in thine eyes.

14 Lo, come down hath fire from the heavens, and consumeth the two heads of the former fifties and their fifties; and, now, let my soul be precious in thine eyes.'

15 And a messenger of Jehovah speaketh unto Elijah, `Go down with him, be not afraid of him;' and he riseth and goeth down with him unto the king,

16 and speaketh unto him, `Thus said Jehovah, Because that thou hast sent messengers to inquire of Baal-Zebub god of Ekron -- is it because there is not a God in Israel to inquire of His word? therefore, the bed whither thou hast gone up -- thou dost not come down from it, for thou dost certainly die.'

17 And he dieth, according to the word of Jehovah that Elijah spake, and Jehoram reigneth in his stead, in the second year of Jehoram son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah, for he had no son.

18 And the rest of the matters of Ahaziah that he did, are they not written on the book of the Chronicles of the kings of Israel?

[Guest]

I accept the Bible. I do not reject it. Do you accept the Bible or reject the Bible?

I have already told you several times what I think of the Bible. It is clear to me that it contains both history and mythology, both fact and fiction, and both great wisdom and abject nonsense. It is a compilation of ancient writings and oral traditions collected over centuries and millennia. It is neither the oldest of the ancient religious texts that have come down to us through the ages nor any more likely to be the inerrant word of an omniscient deity than any of the others. Claiming that it is perfect and inerrant is at least as unreasonable and wrong as denying that it has any value for us whatsoever. Nevertheless, it is a very important part of our cultural heritage; thus none of us can justly claim to be fully educated or culturally literate without having at least some acquaintance with its contents.

[_Bret Ripley]

I accept the Bible.

No, you don't. Not really. What you accept is an ill-considered ideology about the Bible. In order to "accept" the Bible (whatever you may think that means) you would first need to make an attempt to understand something of its nature. This is something you seem curiously determined to avoid.

[_Gunnar]

I accept the Bible.

No, you don't. Not really. What you accept is an ill-considered ideology about the Bible. In order to "accept" the Bible (whatever you may think that means) you would first need to make an attempt to understand something of its nature. This is something you seem curiously determined to avoid.

Great answer! I can't imagine a more accurate characterization of LittleNipper!

[_LittleNipper]

I accept the Bible.

No, you don't. Not really. What you accept is an ill-considered ideology about the Bible. In order to "accept" the Bible (whatever you may think that means) you would first need to make an attempt to understand something of its nature. This is something you seem curiously determined to avoid.

You need to understand it's nature. The Old Testament is divided into three parts:

1.The Law (Torah), consisting of the Pentateuch, or five books of Moses.

2.The Prophets, consisting of…

a.the former, namely, Joshua, Judges, the Books of Samuel, and the Books of Kings


b.the latter, namely, the greater prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel, and the twelve minor prophets.


3.The Hagiographa, or holy writings, including the rest of the books. These were ranked in three divisions:

a.The Psalms, Proverbs, and Job, distinguished by the Hebrew name, a word formed of the initial letters of these books, emeth, meaning truth.


b.Song of Solomon, Ruth, Lamentations, Ecclesiastes, and Esther, called the five rolls, as being written for the synagogue use on five separate rolls.


c.Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah, and 1 and 2 Chronicles.


Between the Old and the New Testament, no addition was made to the revelation God had already given.

The period of New Testament revelation, extending over a century, began with the appearance of John the Baptist.

The New Testament consists of…

1.the historical books, viz., the Gospels, and the Acts of the Apostles

2.the Epistles

3.the book of prophecy, the Revelation

The division of the Bible into chapters and verses is altogether of human invention, designed to facilitate reference to it. The ancient Jews divided the Old Testament into certain sections for use in the synagogue service, and then at a later period, in the ninth century A.D., into verses. Our modern system of chapters for all the books of the Bible was introduced by Cardinal Hugo about the middle of the thirteenth century (he died 1263). The system of verses for the New Testament was introduced by Stephens in 1551, and generally adopted, although neither Tyndale’s nor Coverdale’s English translation of the Bible has verses. The division is not always wisely made, yet it is very useful.

[_LittleNipper]

I accept the Bible. I do not reject it. Do you accept the Bible or reject the Bible?

I have already told you several times what I think of the Bible. It is clear to me that it contains both history and mythology, both fact and fiction, and both great wisdom and abject nonsense. It is a compilation of ancient writings and oral traditions collected over centuries and millennia. It is neither the oldest of the ancient religious texts that have come down to us through the ages nor any more likely to be the inerrant word of an omniscient deity than any of the others. Claiming that it is perfect and inerrant is at least as unreasonable and wrong as denying that it has any value for us whatsoever. Nevertheless, it is a very important part of our cultural heritage; thus none of us can justly claim to be fully educated or culturally literate without having at least some acquaintance with its contents.

You reject what you disagree with, accept what you agree with, and you determine which is which. All of which is the end result of "education." And where exactly does God fit into this rationalization?