Eric.

[_beastie]

Does anyone have a link to the original thread, with the email in question?

[_Daniel Peterson]

IIf you were a "Liahona", or a "liberal" in thinking, not a stitch of this fracas with Eric would have occurred. It's because you're so rigid in your religiosity, and so insistent that everything can be neatly defined as "those who serve God", and "those who don't". "Goodies and Baddies." And Eric is a "baddie". You haven't said anything to convince me otherwise.

Ray, there was a time, not too long ago, when you knew that such a characterization of me was untrue -- and you knew it, to a considerable extent, from personal experience with me. You would never, at that point, have announced that I endorse even crimes [!] if committed by Mormons

We've been through this cycle before. I was, frankly, expecting that it would recur. Just wondering when.

I've scrutinized myself as carefully as I can, trying to determine whether my religious views are warping my judgment in this case, or even playing a substantial role. Honestly, I do not believe them to be a factor at all, in any substantial way. (Other than, of course, the obvious but trivial fact that I presumably wouldn't know Eric's stepfather were it not for Mormonism.)

I've flatly denied your charge. You persist in it. I say it's untrue, that you've misread me completely, and that you don't know what you're talking about.

[_Ray A]

We've been through this cycle before. I was, frankly, expecting that it would recur. Just wondering when.

So a few pointed criticisms on one thread means that “this cycle” is occurring again? There is no “cycle”. Where praise is due, it will be given. Where criticism is due, it will be given.

I've scrutinized myself as carefully as I can, trying to determine whether my religious views are warping my judgment in this case, or even playing a substantial role. Honestly, I do not believe them to be a factor at all, in any substantial way. (Other than, of course, the obvious but trivial fact that I presumably wouldn't know Eric's stepfather were it not for Mormonism.)

True, I first read his articles in the Review many years ago. His name was very familiar to me, and I was surprised to learn that he was Eric’s step-father. I had no idea, but it was intriguing.

I've flatly denied your charge. You persist in it. I say it's untrue, that you've misread me completely, and that you don't know what you're talking about.

Everyone misreads you, Dan. But it's good to know you've undertaken some kind of personal examination. Here's a hint - you won't know how your religious views influence your thinking until you lose them and adopt another worldview. You haven't been through that, so you can't understand the extent to which your religious views influence you, any more than David Koresh (no comparison to you meant here) could understand how wrong and manipulative his views were. If he did, he would have changed his ways.

[_Eric]

I really don't think there are many on this board who are fooled by dannyboy's tactics. They're pretty blatant (not to mention entirely trite).

I hope not.


Anyway, Ray has it about as right it could be. It is Daniel Peterson that seems to know not what he speaks of. His responses are, for the most part, just blatantly false and misleading. I'm not going to enable his obsessive compulsion by continuing to try and answer him. In fact, I'm pretty sure that he's just talking to himself at this point. I'm content to let my words stand against his.

But the original topic-- It is unfortunate that the Mormon cult mentality has infected so much of my family. I truly resent that. Luckily, I have three wonderful sisters that are immune to the insanity that my step-dad subscribes to. Mormonism, without a doubt, has had a negative and sizable impact on my life. Without a doubt.

[_Jersey Girl]

Ray,

I'm transferring your comment to this thread so as not to derail Scratch's thread.

No, it's not life in the Internet. It's "life" on LDS related boards. You people have a pathological need to stick your noses into eachother's real life.

I was not the one who initially stuck his nose in Eric's personal life.

You for example, portray Eric as an independent thinking adult and yet you feel a need to hand him his spine on this board. I see your defense of Eric as perhaps the greatest insult you could level at him and in response, he is using you as a vehicle on the thread.

Let him stand on his own!

I fully realise you don't like Eric, and I think the feeling is mutual.

How on EARTH could you glean from my above comments that I don't like Eric? My criticisms were of YOU, not Eric.

Is this your way of deflecting criticism leveled at yourself?

There is no part of me that dislikes Eric. I dislike the way YOU treat him.

The criticism is about YOU.

[_Ray A]

How on EARTH could you glean from my above comments that I don't like Eric? My criticisms were of YOU, not Eric.

Is this your way of deflecting criticism leveled at yourself?

There is no part of me that dislikes Eric. I dislike the way YOU treat him.

The criticism is about YOU.

Another pissing contest?

[_Jersey Girl]

How on EARTH could you glean from my above comments that I don't like Eric? My criticisms were of YOU, not Eric.

Is this your way of deflecting criticism leveled at yourself?

There is no part of me that dislikes Eric. I dislike the way YOU treat him.

The criticism is about YOU.

Another pissing contest?

No, it's a case of one man treating the other as if he were incompetant.

[_Ray A]

No, it's a case of one man treating the other as if he were incompetant.

Well, that's your "incompetant" view. Maybe you should email Eric and tell him how you feel. Why are you addressing me? Have the guts to email him and tell him he's "incompetant".

Like I said, just another Jersey Girl pissing contest.

[_Jersey Girl]

No, it's a case of one man treating the other as if he were incompetant.

Well, that's your "incompetant" view. Maybe you should email Eric and tell him how you feel. Why are you addressing me? Have the guts to email him and tell him he's "incompetant".

Like I said, just another Jersey Girl pissing contest.

WHERE did I state that Eric is incompetant?

[_Ray A]

WHERE did I state that Eric is incompetant?

Are you on the w[h]ine or something?

You for example, portray Eric as an independent thinking adult and yet you feel a need to hand him his spine on this board. I see your defense of Eric as perhaps the greatest insult you could level at him and in response, he is using you as a vehicle on the thread.

No, it's a case of one man treating the other as if he were incompetant.