Fox Advocacy Group Declares Romney Non-Christian

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beastie wrote:

Or there is the possibility that there would be enough discomfort with Romney to create a viable third party candidate. Which, of course, would ensure Obama's re-election.

Heh. What a pickle the uber conservatives are in. I enjoy it.

Perhaps the discomfort, for most of those tobacco chewing, gun toting, church going, pickup drivin southerners would be his policies? Or are they just too dumb to figure those out?
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beastie wrote:But if the republicans succeed in tanking the economy, it will be held against him.


As a Republican, I am appalled that you have discovered our secret: we really do want to trash the US economy in favor of short-term political gain. Who cares about jobs, fiscal responsibility, economic growth, or even providing for the poor?

Heck, if strangling puppies would get more Republicans elected, we'd do that, too.
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beastie wrote:
Of course, my first hope is that Obama gets reelected. But if the republicans succeed in tanking the economy, it will be held against him.


Last I checked the economy is in the tank. So how will and are the republicans tanking it? And please don't use the debt ceiling issue. There are plenty of fanatical hold outs on both sides of this debacle.

I have to admit that I take pleasure in the idea of some of the bigoted southerners I know personally being forced to choose between a republican Mormon and an African-American democrat. I think quite a few will just not vote.


Yes I think that would be sweet.

Or there is the possibility that there would be enough discomfort with Romney to create a viable third party candidate. Which, of course, would ensure Obama's re-election.

Heh. What a pickle the uber conservatives are in. I enjoy it


Certainly keeps things interesting.
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I do take pleaseure in the idea of bigoted Northerners having to choose between an incompetent black candidate and a woman.


Touche!
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I'm a democrat, so of course I'm going to disagree with republicans on how to handle the economy. I believe that if the government cuts spending too much, the economy will go into another tailspin. The recovery is tenuous as is. I think, during times of economic duress, that the government NEEDS to stimulate the economy. I know republicans think that the stimulus did nothing, but that is not true. I know of many jobs that were saved by the stimulus. I personally believe it pulled us back from the brink of a full-scale depression.

I misspoke when I said republicans want to tank the economy. I believe that some in the republican leadership have set as their primary goal the removal of Obama from office, and would not mind stalling the economy in order to do so.

Of course they don't think they're stalling the economy. They think they're "shrinking the beast", which would then encourage economic growth.

I disagree with that approach and philosophy. That is part of the reason why I'm a democrat. I do not believe "trickle down" works, and I believe government is needed, and is not necessarily more incompetent than the private sector. I have seen way too much incompetence in the private sector to buy that particular bill of goods.

I do apologize for over-generalizing about republicans. I was being sloppy and careless. I do not intend to enter into a prolonged political discussion. They tend to be even more pointless than prolonged religious discussions. It is my fault for opening that particular door, but I do not intend to walk through it.
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I will respond to one more thing - my comment about bigoted southerners.

I am a southerner. I know, first hand, that there are bigots among us who would never, never vote for an African American. Anyone who denies that is in deep denial.

I also know there are bigots in other parts of the country, with different forms of bigotry. I also know that there are bigots against African Americans in particular everywhere in the country. Google "Obama watermelon email" if there's any doubt of that.

But spare me any denials about bigotry in the south. And spare me the denials that this same bigotry has nothing to do with some people's intense dislike of Obama.
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beastie wrote:I do apologize for over-generalizing about republicans. I was being sloppy and careless. I do not intend to enter into a prolonged political discussion. They tend to be even more pointless than prolonged religious discussions. It is my fault for opening that particular door, but I do not intend to walk through it.


It's OK. We're used to being called evil. :-)
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Runtu wrote:
It's OK. We're used to being called evil. :-)


As are we!
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Jason Bourne wrote:
Last I checked the economy is in the tank.


Well, we've been in a year long technical recovery, so, uh, meh. Both sides tend to drastically overestimate the influence the federal government has over economic trends for political reasons. The technical recovery we are in happened roughly when most economists predicted it would happen. The anemic growth also was predictable. This was in 2008 prior to knowing what the exact content of policy in response would be. But major changes in how resources are allocated or drastic shifts in policy can fiddle with the economy at the margins. And marginal changes are all that is needed to shift tepid growth into a second recessionary spiral.
So how will and are the republicans tanking it? And please don't use the debt ceiling issue.


There has been a long-floating idea out here that the Republicans will pursue issues that will weaken the economy in the short-term in order to damage Obama's reelection prospects and/or create a more favorable environment to pushing a more radical agenda. Pushing for drastic cuts that will take government money out of the economy or policy that will destabilize markets is usually listed as the chief culprit. As to the latter, Boehner himself suggested as much when he said, "Well, first they [Republican holdouts] want more. And my goodness, I want more too. And secondly, a lot of them believe that if we get past August the second and we have enough chaos, we could force the Senate and the White House to accept a balanced budget amendment. I’m not sure that that — I don’t think that that strategy works. Because I think the closer we get to August the second, frankly, the less leverage we have vis a vis our colleagues in the Senate and the White House."

Yeah, that's basically admitting that people in his party want to use economic collapse as political leverage.

Earlier I wrote this, "I think there's about a 1/3rd of Republicans in Congress who are ideologically opposed to raising the debt ceiling without a massive restructure of how the government balances its books. And I think those people would've felt the same during the Bush years. Bush's reign of profligate spending pissed off some Republicans too, after all. Another group are primarily interested in carrying this to the bitter end to maximize their returns and look like they have a spine to their voting constituency. I think the rest would prefer the country burn right now because that almost certainly means an Obama loss in 2012 as most [persuadable] voters are misinformed morons who vote based on their sense of present conditions."

I still think that's true. People can have multifaceted motivations for advocating things, but I think it's maybe 10% or so of the party leadership who are primarily animated by that concern and for others still it's more of a side-benefit or consolation prize.
There are plenty of fanatical hold outs on both sides of this debacle.


I think that misunderstands the issue significantly. The debt ceiling increases of the past, of which there have been tons, are usually a rubber stamp. That there had to be any compromise whatsoever was initiated by Republican demands. The Democrat holdouts against any compromise are a consequence of the position they are in. That's driven by the Obama administration's missteps and apparent inability to exploit public opinion, but it is what it is. This is like Suzy asking for all of a cupcake, Jane saying it should be split in two, and Suzy complaining that Jane won't compromise by giving her 3/4ths of it.
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I'm working on the Gary Johnson campaign, incidentally. We barely can get mentioned in the media. Yay?!
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