Family dies holding hands, praying

[_consiglieri]

ETA--And sometimes when God does intervene, it may be over something as insignificant as sparing the life of a kitty cat. It may be God does not place human life on a higher plane when it comes to his choice of interventions.

Hi consig,

Can you point to a specific incidence when you believe God has intervened in this life (during our lifetime)?

Sure thing!

I fully recognize that good people who pray to God for safety and/or relief in their time of need often go unheeded, as in the OP example.

On the other hand, I had this one experience where God intervened in a very personal way to save the life of a kitty cat.

It is something too sacred to share publicly.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri








Not!

The most sacred experiences should get the most publicity.

About ten years back, I got home from work and everybody is running around trying to find our little barn cat, Mouser (so named because she was a gray tabby with an adorable capital letter "M" on her forehead).

She had been looking pretty bad recently and then she just disappeared. We were worried she had gone some place to die.

When I got home, my wife enlisted my aid. I had no idea where to go to look for a cat who was intentionally hiding out, and all the kids had been looking for hours. Where am I going to look they haven't already?

So I stepped out the front door and said a prayer, asking God to help me find Mouser. (Note I have said similar prayers multiple times in my life with no response, so I wasn't expecting much.)

What happened next I ascribe to divine intervention.

I walked down off the steps and turned left on the driveway, walking directly into the open garage and up to the far wall where some empty cardboard boxes were stacked. I didn't think about what I was doing, and was directed in some sense.

I had to walk right up next to the box so that when I looked down I could see Mouser curled up at the very bottom. I let my wife know and she took our very ill Mouser to the vet and she was able to recover and live many more years.

I can't explain exactly what happened that day, but I know it wasn't just me who found the cat. I didn't look anywhere else. I didn't think of looking in the garage, much less that box. I was just impelled to go there and when I did, viola!

As I reflected on this experience, I thought if God will intervene to save a kitty cat's life (on occasion) but not intervene to save a person's life (on occasion), then maybe that says something about God's priorities.

Or it may say that if God has priorities in such circumstances, the information's not available to the mortal man.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Tobin]

If God hadn't meant for man to fall, then he wouldn't have put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden to begin with.

Gosh, that is impeccable logic.
The general form of the proposition is "If God hadn't meant for X to happen, he would not have made available Y (which was a means essential for achieving X)".
So, for instance, if God hadn't meant for this to happen:
he would not have made chainsaws available in "Tools-R-us"

I don't think I'm the one with the problem with logic. You seem to be under the impression that God is neither omniscient nor omnipotent. The only way that man could have fallen is if God permitted it and anticipated it (that is why the tree was there).

[_Drifting]

Sure thing!

I fully recognize that good people who pray to God for safety and/or relief in their time of need often go unheeded, as in the OP example.

On the other hand, I had this one experience where God intervened in a very personal way to save the life of a kitty cat.

It is something too sacred to share publicly.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri








Not!

The most sacred experiences should get the most publicity.

About ten years back, I got home from work and everybody is running around trying to find our little barn cat, Mouser (so named because she was a gray tabby with an adorable capital letter "M" on her forehead).

She had been looking pretty bad recently and then she just disappeared. We were worried she had gone some place to die.

When I got home, my wife enlisted my aid. I had no idea where to go to look for a cat who was intentionally hiding out, and all the kids had been looking for hours. Where am I going to look they haven't already?

So I stepped out the front door and said a prayer, asking God to help me find Mouser. (Note I have said similar prayers multiple times in my life with no response, so I wasn't expecting much.)

What happened next I ascribe to divine intervention.

I walked down off the steps and turned left on the driveway, walking directly into the open garage and up to the far wall where some empty cardboard boxes were stacked. I didn't think about what I was doing, and was directed in some sense.

I had to walk right up next to the box so that when I looked down I could see Mouser curled up at the very bottom. I let my wife know and she took our very ill Mouser to the vet and she was able to recover and live many more years.

I can't explain exactly what happened that day, but I know it wasn't just me who found the cat. I didn't look anywhere else. I didn't think of looking in the garage, much less that box. I was just impelled to go there and when I did, viola!

As I reflected on this experience, I thought if God will intervene to save a kitty cat's life (on occasion) but not intervene to save a person's life (on occasion), then maybe that says something about God's priorities.

Or it may say that if God has priorities in such circumstances, the information's not available to the mortal man.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

I hope you shared this divine experience at a Fast & Testimony...

[_Buffalo]

Sure thing!

I fully recognize that good people who pray to God for safety and/or relief in their time of need often go unheeded, as in the OP example.

On the other hand, I had this one experience where God intervened in a very personal way to save the life of a kitty cat.

It is something too sacred to share publicly.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri








Not!

The most sacred experiences should get the most publicity.

About ten years back, I got home from work and everybody is running around trying to find our little barn cat, Mouser (so named because she was a gray tabby with an adorable capital letter "M" on her forehead).

She had been looking pretty bad recently and then she just disappeared. We were worried she had gone some place to die.

When I got home, my wife enlisted my aid. I had no idea where to go to look for a cat who was intentionally hiding out, and all the kids had been looking for hours. Where am I going to look they haven't already?

So I stepped out the front door and said a prayer, asking God to help me find Mouser. (Note I have said similar prayers multiple times in my life with no response, so I wasn't expecting much.)

What happened next I ascribe to divine intervention.

I walked down off the steps and turned left on the driveway, walking directly into the open garage and up to the far wall where some empty cardboard boxes were stacked. I didn't think about what I was doing, and was directed in some sense.

I had to walk right up next to the box so that when I looked down I could see Mouser curled up at the very bottom. I let my wife know and she took our very ill Mouser to the vet and she was able to recover and live many more years.

I can't explain exactly what happened that day, but I know it wasn't just me who found the cat. I didn't look anywhere else. I didn't think of looking in the garage, much less that box. I was just impelled to go there and when I did, viola!

As I reflected on this experience, I thought if God will intervene to save a kitty cat's life (on occasion) but not intervene to save a person's life (on occasion), then maybe that says something about God's priorities.

Or it may say that if God has priorities in such circumstances, the information's not available to the mortal man.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Panopticon]

The details are wrong, but the point is the same.

I could run the same numbers for people who survive tornadoes on a direct hit. I'm sure there are respectable odds someone would survive, depending on the construction of the home.

So-called miracles are predictable and foreseeable given the odds.

If someone does happen to survive despite the odds, you have this problem:

What kind of odds does an event have to beat for you to consider it a miracle?

About the only miracle that would be convincing to me would be an amputee regrowing a limb.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

It is interesting that the only medical miracles you hear about generally fall into two classes: (1) conditions that can benefit from the placebo effect and (2) misdiagnosis (e.g., the tumor disappears, but it was never really a tumor). It is evident that God doesn't love amputees as much as people suffering with other medical conditions.

[_Hoops]

About the only miracle that would be convincing to me would be an amputee regrowing a limb.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

It is interesting that the only medical miracles you hear about generally fall into two classes: (1) conditions that can benefit from the placebo effect and (2) misdiagnosis (e.g., the tumor disappears, but it was never really a tumor). It is evident that God doesn't love amputees as much as people suffering with other medical conditions.

Peter would disagree with you.

But I didn't ask that. You said that the odds didn't point to a miracle. I asked beating what odds would satisfy you. Apparently none. So why bring it up?

[_Hoops]

About the only miracle that would be convincing to me would be an amputee regrowing a limb.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

You're left with the same tornado problem. When you have that answered, then you can tell us more.

[_Buffalo]

About the only miracle that would be convincing to me would be an amputee regrowing a limb.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

You're left with the same tornado problem. When you have that answered, then you can tell us more.

Hoops is tacitly taking the "God can't do anything too obvious, because then we wouldn't need faith" position taken by some of the slower Mormon apologists.

[_consiglieri]

I hope you shared this divine experience at a Fast & Testimony...

Actually, I never have.

It is too sacred.



All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Drifting]

I hope you shared this divine experience at a Fast & Testimony...

Actually, I never have.

It is too sacred.



All the Best!

--Consiglieri

It's not sacred it's secr...oh...hang on...