Kids who die before age 8 DON'T automatically go to the C.K.

[_Tobin]

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At this point Darth J, I'll just let you spout your non-sense. You have made my point very clear that there are some people (including you) that have a dim understanding of Mormonism. The fact you don't know God lives in the highest degree of glory (and continue to deny it), the Celestial Kingdom, is an excellent example of what I'm talking about.

[_Darth J]

Nuh-uh!!!!!

[_Tobin]

I have asked many times as a believer. You admit the same as well, yet you think God didn't show up until you were a naïve raving atheist.

And I have asked you not to stop. God will answer you. Until then, there is nothing wrong with doubting there is a God. But don't conclude that is true for everyone.

[_Cylon]

That's the problem is that they get different answers, even the ones who claim God showed up in person.

Again, I'm not asking you to believe anyone else. Talk with God yourself.

I call BS that you actually asked God what happens to kids who die before the age of accountability. If you had you would have said as much already. You're just extrapolating on this one, and basing it off of quote mined statements from old church leaders that don't even include their full context.

[_Tobin]

I call BS that you actually asked God what happens to kids who die before the age of accountability. If you had you would have said as much already. You're just extrapolating on this one, and basing it off of quote mined statements from old church leaders that don't even include their full context.

I never made that claim.

[_Cylon]

I call BS that you actually asked God what happens to kids who die before the age of accountability. If you had you would have said as much already. You're just extrapolating on this one, and basing it off of quote mined statements from old church leaders that don't even include their full context.

I never made that claim.

Fine, you only implied it in your response to Themis.

Besides that, though, do you have a response for why you put forth all those GA statements as support for your arguments when they didn't actually mean what you said they did? Are you willing to admit you misrepresented them?

[_Darth J]

I call BS that you actually asked God what happens to kids who die before the age of accountability. If you had you would have said as much already. You're just extrapolating on this one, and basing it off of quote mined statements from old church leaders that don't even include their full context.

I never made that claim.

From page 1 of this thread:

"Don't be ridiculous. I'm not throwing anyone under the bus. They will be free to choose to follow God like anyone else. They will be resurrected, just like we all will. Your dim understanding of Mormon teachings notwithstanding."

"See the quotes below. Not once do they say everyone, but fetuses. Everyone must be tested and tried. Period. So, stop pretending you understand a thing about Mormonism and spouting your non-sense."

"[/quote mines] and there are many more."

"I understand what you may have been taught, and it is non-sense."

From page 2 of this thread:

"It is a very basic teaching. But it doesn't mean what you think it means. As I've pointed out, the prophets have taught that all that are to obtain exaltation must be tested and tried. There are no exceptions. Spirits who die as fetuses, will still have to go through the same tests and trials as us at some point. It is necessary for the judgements of God to be just on the rest of us."

"I have pointed out repeatedly why your views of the Gospel are incorrect and so your premise is completely false."

From page 3:

"I am simply pointing out that this idea that fetuses are automatically resurrected, exalted, and enter the CK is pure non-sense. It is simply not part of the gospel."

"And I have quoted LDS scriptures and prophets in support of my argument and I strongly assert you are NOT acting as moderator, but instead as a biased observer here."

[_Tobin]

Fine, you only implied it in your response to Themis.

I asked Themis to seek God to know there is a God.

Besides that, though, do you have a response for why you put forth all those GA statements as support for your arguments when they didn't actually mean what you said they did? Are you willing to admit you misrepresented them?

I put them forward to demonstrate that this topic needs to be better understood in the context of what else we know about being a Celestial being. One of the requirements is being married. How is this accomplished for children that die before the age of accountability for example?

[_Darth J]

I put them forward to demonstrate that this topic needs to be better understood in the context of what else we know about being a Celestial being. One of the requirements is being married. How is this accomplished for children that die before the age of accountability for example?

The LDS Church does not state otherwise. The Church says "we don't know" how that will happen. Just that it will somehow happen.

Bruce R. McConkie, April 1977 General Conference

Will children be married and live in the family unit?

Certainly. There can be no question about this. If they gain salvation, which is eternal life, which is exaltation, it means that they are married and live in the family unit. President Joseph Fielding Smith has so stated in plain words, and it is something that must necessarily be so. (See Doctrines of Salvation, 2:49–57.)

The Spirit World, Our Next Home

Some worry because departed children have apparently lost the privilege of courtship, marriage, and other opportunities. But revelations concerning the spirit world assure us that normal relationships leading to eternal sealings are an ongoing part of that life. Elder Melvin J. Ballard observed:

“You mothers worry about your little children [who have died]. We do not perform sealings for them. I lost a son six years of age, and I saw him a man in the spirit world after his death, and I saw how he had exercised his own freedom of choice and would obtain of his own will and volition a companionship, and in due time to him, and all those who are worthy of it, shall come all of the blessings and sealing privileges of the house of the Lord. Do not worry over it. They are safe; they are all right.

“Now, then, what of your daughters who have died and have not been sealed to some man? … The sealing power shall be forever and ever with this Church, and provisions will be made for them. We cannot run faster than the Lord has provided the way. Their blessings and privileges will come to them in due time. In the meantime, they are safe.” (Bryant S. Hinckley, Sermons and Missionary Services of Melvin J. Ballard, Deseret Book Company, 1949, p. 260.)

Anyway, if you have never, ever, heard the Church teach the ad hoc, fill-in-the-gaps Mormon fanfic posited by Tobin, it's because you have a dim understanding of Mormonism.

[_Darth J]

Besides that, though, do you have a response for why you put forth all those GA statements as support for your arguments when they didn't actually mean what you said they did? Are you willing to admit you misrepresented them?

I put them forward to demonstrate that this topic needs to be better understood in the context of what else we know about being a Celestial being. One of the requirements is being married. How is this accomplished for children that die before the age of accountability for example?

No, that isn't what you said.

Page 1 of this thread:

If you are actually asserting that it is an LDS teaching that children who die prior to the age of 8 will have to earn the CK like everyone else, please prove it by citing actual LDS sources. And that does not include yahoos like you on the internet. I mean sources from the church itself, like the one I just cited.

After all, if my understanding of LDS teachings is so dim, this should be easy to do.

Easily done. See the quotes below.