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Re: For former Mormons who became atheists

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:You're telling me. When you have the Almighty conspiring with Satan to kill your children you're pretty much effed! Regardless, that doesn't make any sense in context that all that He requires of you is to keep his commandments; and he has promised you that if ye would keep his commandments ye should prosper in the land; and he never doth vary from that which he hath said; therefore, if ye do keep his commandments he doth bless you and prosper you.

You should probably just get over this nonsense, and move on from these contradictory fantasies, no?

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We are still living in a sinful universe. The Bible often speaks in generalities. Not everyone who smokes dies very young. Both my grandparents lived well into their seventies. But in general, children who obey their parents will live longer than those that run amuck. The simple reality is that for many, this life is as close to eternal bless that they will get. Now, as for Jobs children, they are still his children. If they are saved, Job will be reunited with them someday in eternity. Your world view is that this life is it and to lose it is a shame. My world view is that heaven is my home and to miss that is a shame. The reality is that you will either die young or old. BUT you will die. Where you end up is the question God has a solution for it you are willing...
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We are still living in a sinful universe.


What, exactly, is it about the universe that makes it inherently sinful? Who created it that way?

The Bible often speaks in generalities.


It also speaks very specifically and has been proven over and over again to be fallacious, or at the very least misleading.

Not everyone who smokes dies very young. Both my grandparents lived well into their seventies. But in general, children who obey their parents will live longer than those that run amuck.


Not sure how that equates to the Truth claims of Mormonism, but if this is an attempt to equate your parents with Celestial ones then I think that reveals a few things about you more than it does the targets of your statement.

The simple reality is that for many, this life is as close to eternal bless that they will get.


I would say that it's for everyone, and having your eye firmly planted on your death is a very sad way to live.

Now, as for Jobs children, they are still his children. If they are saved, Job will be reunited with them someday in eternity. Your world view is that this life is it and to lose it is a shame.


No. I think it was a shame they were murdered by God and Satan in order for God to prove to Satan that Job would keep his eye on the ball. What in the world does God have to prove to Satan, and again... Those innocents didn't do anything to merit being murdered by God and Satan. It's incredibly disgusting behavior. It's M-U-R-D-E-R.

My world view is that heaven is my home and to miss that is a shame. The reality is that you will either die young or old. BUT you will die. Where you end up is the question God has a solution for it you are willing...


My view is that you're living in a fantasy world where the death of innocent children to satisfy the curiosity of the Devil is A-Ok with God, who explicitly states if you're faithful you will prosper, and that never changes. It's contradictory, and psychologically sociopathic. Where I end up, Madame, isn't a question... I'll be returned to the earth just like you. You can pretend your soul will go to Heaven (fear of Death manifested as I stated earlier), but that doesn't change the facts that we have on hand... You and I will end up in the same place. How you live your life, your only life, is a true indicator of your humanity.

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: For former Mormons who became atheists

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
subgenius wrote:Just wondering which chapter(s) and verse(s) in the Bible notes that light was created and then the source of that light was created after.....


Oooooh, that's what you were getting at. My apologies!

http://www.LDS.org/scriptures/Old Testament/gen/1?lang=eng

Here you go!

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Dr. Cam


awkward for you....perhaps you should read your resources first...but like i said, you seem to educate yourself by the Meme.
Nevertheless, you are still wrong.
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Oh? I respect your perspective, but again, this is a thread directed to Atheists, not Theists Who Are Threatened by an Atheist Opinion.

Let me re-read Genesis...

Nope. It's still right there. It hasn't changed. God created light before he created the light source. Sheesh. Nonsense!

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Also, your God conspired with the Devil to kill the innocent children of an innocent man just because...

Sick.

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: For former Mormons who became atheists

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Oh? I respect your perspective, but again, this is a thread directed to Atheists, not Theists Who Are Threatened by an Atheist Opinion.

not sure it qualifies as an opinion as much as it is a fabrication.

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Let me re-read Genesis...

of course i will (i already saw your lips moving)

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Nope. It's still right there. It hasn't changed. God created light before he created the light source. Sheesh. Nonsense!

again...you and your meme claim that which is not true...you simply point to Genesis...but can not actually quite the verses that conclude what you claim....because the fact is counter to your meme.
That is the only nonsense...which is apparently synonymous with the this thread's "direction"?

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:V/R
Dr. Cam

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Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
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Re: For former Mormons who became atheists

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
We are still living in a sinful universe.


What, exactly, is it about the universe that makes it inherently sinful? Who created it that way?

The Bible often speaks in generalities.


It also speaks very specifically and has been proven over and over again to be fallacious, or at the very least misleading.

Not everyone who smokes dies very young. Both my grandparents lived well into their seventies. But in general, children who obey their parents will live longer than those that run amuck.


Not sure how that equates to the Truth claims of Mormonism, but if this is an attempt to equate your parents with Celestial ones then I think that reveals a few things about you more than it does the targets of your statement.

The simple reality is that for many, this life is as close to eternal bless that they will get.


I would say that it's for everyone, and having your eye firmly planted on your death is a very sad way to live.

Now, as for Jobs children, they are still his children. If they are saved, Job will be reunited with them someday in eternity. Your world view is that this life is it and to lose it is a shame.


No. I think it was a shame they were murdered by God and Satan in order for God to prove to Satan that Job would keep his eye on the ball. What in the world does God have to prove to Satan, and again... Those innocents didn't do anything to merit being murdered by God and Satan. It's incredibly disgusting behavior. It's M-U-R-D-E-R.

My world view is that heaven is my home and to miss that is a shame. The reality is that you will either die young or old. BUT you will die. Where you end up is the question God has a solution for it you are willing...


My view is that you're living in a fantasy world where the death of innocent children to satisfy the curiosity of the Devil is A-Ok with God, who explicitly states if you're faithful you will prosper, and that never changes. It's contradictory, and psychologically sociopathic. Where I end up, Madame, isn't a question... I'll be returned to the earth just like you. You can pretend your soul will go to Heaven (fear of Death manifested as I stated earlier), but that doesn't change the facts that we have on hand... You and I will end up in the same place. How you live your life, your only life, is a true indicator of your humanity.

V/R
Dr. Cam

You use the term Dr. next to your name. One would assume that you read the Bible and heard of Adam and Eve and the serpent and the tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil. Let's face it --- God Created Adam & Eve. It was man who came up with Brucey and Markie. God didn't devise evil. Satan has the entire Universe at his disposal and laid claim to it as a result of Adam's sin. The Bible has never been proven to be wrong. People trying to prove that the Bible is in error have read into it. Many people believe that the world is billions of years old and yet have no positive proof. they base such things on assumptions of reading into data findings. My view is that you're the one living in a fantasy world where if heaven doesn't exist death would be so much better to accept. So exactly how do you live your life? You give all your money to the poor? You visit your parents and grandparents regularly and intend for them to move in with you as soon as they cannot take care of themselves? You married someone of the opposite sex and then had sexual relations? You don't make fun of anyone else and do everything to help your co-workers succeed. You don't take advantage of the mistakes of others and always hand back extra change the cashier gives you? You put the lives of others ahead of that of your own? Shall I go on? And how do you know you will return to earth after death? What exactly do you base that assumption on? You place all your eggs in this world and it is the next that counts for an eternity. I'm happy here but I do look forward to seeing Jesus.
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subgenius wrote:again...you and your meme claim that which is not true...you simply point to Genesis...but can not actually quite the verses that conclude what you claim....because the fact is counter to your meme.
That is the only nonsense...which is apparently synonymous with the this thread's "direction"?


Sheesh! It's like I have to do all the work around here!

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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. <- Waterworld! Nonsense!

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. <-Click!

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.<-Clap on!

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.<-Now we get land! Kinda thought the Earth formed the other way around, but whatever...

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.<-What?? Now we get clouds and rain? How did the water get there in the first place? This story smells... Fishy.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.<-I always thought Heaven was more ethereal than firm, but who am I to argue with an ancient savage?

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.<-Wait. All the water gathered into one place? Did this story take place during Pangea??

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.<-Still waitin' on that light source...

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:<-There we go! Yahtzee! Finally. The power grid was starting to get a little taxed lighting all those trees and herbs.

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.<-I know right? You need that light source in order to have light.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.<-Well. The moon can't really be considered a light source since it's, you know, a moon that reflects a light source.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,<-I'm quibbling, but the light source isn't really set in a firmament, because, you know, the heavens aren't a firmament.

...

The Jewish Encyclopedia describes the firmament as follows:

The Hebrews regarded the earth as a plain or a hill figured like a hemisphere, swimming on water. Over this is arched the solid vault of heaven. To this vault are fastened the lights, the stars. So slight is this elevation that birds may rise to it and fly along its expanse.



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Dr. Cam
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: For former Mormons who became atheists

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LittleNipper wrote:You use the term Dr. next to your name. One would assume that you read the Bible and heard of Adam and Eve and the serpent and the tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil. Let's face it --- God Created Adam & Eve. It was man who came up with Brucey and Markie. God didn't devise evil. Satan has the entire Universe at his disposal and laid claim to it as a result of Adam's sin. The Bible has never been proven to be wrong. People trying to prove that the Bible is in error have read into it. Many people believe that the world is billions of years old and yet have no positive proof. they base such things on assumptions of reading into data findings. My view is that you're the one living in a fantasy world where if heaven doesn't exist death would be so much better to accept. So exactly how do you live your life? You give all your money to the poor? You visit your parents and grandparents regularly and intend for them to move in with you as soon as they cannot take care of themselves? You married someone of the opposite sex and then had sexual relations? You don't make fun of anyone else and do everything to help your co-workers succeed. You don't take advantage of the mistakes of others and always hand back extra change the cashier gives you? You put the lives of others ahead of that of your own? Shall I go on? And how do you know you will return to earth after death? What exactly do you base that assumption on? You place all your eggs in this world and it is the next that counts for an eternity. I'm happy here but I do look forward to seeing Jesus.


I think I understand your username now. You may want to lay off for a while... :/

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: For former Mormons who became atheists

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
subgenius wrote:again...you and your meme claim that which is not true...you simply point to Genesis...but can not actually quite the verses that conclude what you claim....because the fact is counter to your meme.
That is the only nonsense...which is apparently synonymous with the this thread's "direction"?


Sheesh! It's like I have to do all the work around here!



It's just part of subby's dishonest game. I don't find him honest, or what he says interesting or accurate, and don't waste as much time with him anymore.
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