For former Mormons who became atheists

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Subgenius on any given thread:



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Dr. Cam

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Back to the OP. This is another reason why I became an Atheist:

http://i.imgur.com/FALDz.png

The premise simply doesn't make any sense.

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Dr. Cam

[_LittleNipper]

Back to the OP. This is another reason why I became an Atheist:

http://i.imgur.com/FALDz.png

The premise simply doesn't make any sense.

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Dr. Cam

Let me ask you something. Since God created; God is the Lord of science, nature, math, LAW, etc... This must say somthing about God and His very nature. God cannot do everything (even though the one and only God). God is still bound by His perfect nature. God cannot sin. He must react in accordance with His nature. What you are asking is for 1+1 to equal 3 ------------ or that Energy doesn't have to equal mc squared. God is dealing with the situaton in the only perfect way open for God. This is what atheist seem to fail at. God cannot do anything. God MUST exist as HIS nature requires. And until a person becomes a child of God, that person is controlled by satan.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Back to the OP. This is another reason why I became an Atheist:

http://i.imgur.com/FALDz.png

The premise simply doesn't make any sense.

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Dr. Cam

Let me ask you something. Since God created; God is the Lord of science, nature, math, LAW, etc... This must say somthing about God and His very nature. God cannot do everything (even though the one and only God). God is still bound by His perfect nature. God cannot sin. He must react in accordance with His nature. What you are asking is for 1+1 to equal 3 ------------ or that Energy doesn't have to equal mc squared. God is dealing with the situaton in the only perfect way open for God. This is what atheist seem to fail at. God cannot do anything. God MUST exist as HIS nature requires. And until a person becomes a child of God, that person is controlled by satan.

What does your statement have anything to do at all with the link I provided?

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Dr. Cam

[_LittleNipper]

[Let me ask you something. Since God created; God is the Lord of science, nature, math, LAW, etc... This must say somthing about God and His very nature. God cannot do everything (even though the one and only God). God is still bound by His perfect nature. God cannot sin. He must react in accordance with His nature. What you are asking is for 1+1 to equal 3 ------------ or that Energy doesn't have to equal mc squared. God is dealing with the situaton in the only perfect way open for God. This is what atheist seem to fail at. God cannot do anything. God MUST exist as HIS nature requires. And until a person becomes a child of God, that person is controlled by satan.

What does your statement have anything to do at all with the link I provided?

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Dr. Cam

Well, Dr. Cam, your link assumes God can do anything. The fact is God can only do those things that are perfect and without sin and are performed justly, righteously, and out of pure love. God didn't have sexual relations. But the fact you do not seem to understand any of this tells me you may not wish to.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Re-read what you wrote. It makes no sense whatsoever in context to the link. Nothing about sex. It's simply talking about the basic premise upon which your god-narrative is based.

It's contradictory, nonsensical, and frankly immoral.

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Dr. Cam

[_ludwigm]

The fact is God can only do those things that are perfect and without sin and are performed justly, righteously, and out of pure love.

If I had been a rich seigneur from the XII. century -
- having a lot of underpaid footman, housemaid, stableman (like many star, politician, celebrity today)
- having a lot of unpaid slave (like in dictatorships today)
- having a title to behead the disobeyers (like in many country today)
- having every other thing created a seigneur (would be a long list)

... and I would have got an impression to be good, benign, warm-hearted...

- then command the warder: "open the bars"
- then command the majordomo: "give all the slaves five gold and a clothing then set them free"
- then command my wife (OK, this would be the hardest): "send your maids back to the village to hoe"

I would be an item in the written history - as a rare and uncommon event.

If I would have executed my son, as per contra?
Were it qualified as "pure love" or as "insanity"?
Had I been apostrophed as just, righteous - or as mad?

I am sorry Your perfect god. Without sin.

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Unfortunately, nobody showed my pictures about Black Paintings of Goya: Saturn Devouring His Son in the viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27026 thread...


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(they are fit to this topic)


What about "YHWH tormenting his son"

[_LittleNipper]

Re-read what you wrote. It makes no sense whatsoever in context to the link. Nothing about sex. It's simply talking about the basic premise upon which your god-narrative is based.

It's contradictory, nonsensical, and frankly immoral.

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Dr. Cam

God established what constitutes immorality and not you. Your brand of morality likely focuses on providing marriage for two men, sperm donors for two women, and punishment for those are publically opposed. Your link is vulgar and was designed to insult/belittle and not seek after the truth.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

God established what constitutes immorality and not you. Your brand of morality likely focuses on providing marriage for two men, sperm donors for two women, and punishment for those are publically opposed. Your link is vulgar and was designed to insult/belittle and not seek after the truth.

Hi Little Nipper,

Once again what you post makes no sense in context to the discussion. You're all over the place.

I'll remind you this is a thread specifically directed toward Atheists. So, when I post on this thread it's always with a mind toward the OP.

I... would just like to target the atheist audience here if possible.

Now. Back to the link I provided. It addressed the foundational claims of your faith. You have a god who is all-knowing. You have a god who created everything. That means he created evil, and he knew what he was doing. That means he created billions of humans, knowing their very nature from the moment he created them; knowing the outcome of all their possible actions because he himself is all-knowing thus everything is revealed to him.

In other words, your god, who is a known conspirator with Evil (the story of Job), a known creator of Evil, a creator of Satan, demons, & Hell, and a creator of things Evil (everything that cannot, by design, return to Heaven) is complicit in the damnation of the vast majority of souls.

This god then impregnates another man's wife with himself, talks to himself, murders himself to atone for the very sinful natures of the beings he himself created to be evil, and then demands everyone ask for forgiveness for being what he designed them to be knowing that only a select few will comply.

The whole story, the whole premise is utterly bizarre, nonsensical, and creates irrational thinking patterns within its followers. The story is inherently immoral, and quite frankly evil once viewed objectively.



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Dr. Cam

[_LittleNipper]

God established what constitutes immorality and not you. Your brand of morality likely focuses on providing marriage for two men, sperm donors for two women, and punishment for those are publically opposed. Your link is vulgar and was designed to insult/belittle and not seek after the truth.

Hi Little Nipper,

Once again what you post makes no sense in context to the discussion. You're all over the place.

I'll remind you this is a thread specifically directed toward Atheists. So, when I post on this thread it's always with a mind toward the OP.

I... would just like to target the atheist audience here if possible.

Now. Back to the link I provided. It addressed the foundational claims of your faith. You have a god who is all-knowing. You have a god who created everything. That means he created evil, and he knew what he was doing. That means he created billions of humans, knowing their very nature from the moment he created them; knowing the outcome of all their possible actions because he himself is all-knowing thus everything is revealed to him.

In other words, your god, who is a known conspirator with Evil (the story of Job), a known creator of Evil, a creator of Satan, demons, & Hell, and a creator of things Evil (everything that cannot, by design, return to Heaven) is complicit in the damnation of the vast majority of souls.

This god then impregnates another man's wife with himself, talks to himself, murders himself to atone for the very sinful natures of the beings he himself created to be evil, and then demands everyone ask for forgiveness for being what he designed them to be knowing that only a select few will comply.

The whole story, the whole premise is utterly bizarre, nonsensical, and creates irrational thinking patterns within its followers. The story is inherently immoral, and quite frankly evil once viewed objectively.



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Dr. Cam

Again, you are looking at this from a "Mormon" perspective. God didn't have sex with Mary. The Holy Spirit was involved in causing Mary's egg to become implanted with Christ. God created the universe, He created life, And He did it all from NOTHING. Sin was the result of Lucifer wanting to be God. God has always existed as TRIUNE ---- 3 individuals beings forming together one GOD.