You think this link justifies you turning your nose up at reputable science?
I was perusing a book on dinosaurs a while back and I noticed something that reminded me of something else. This book said that the earth formed 4,600 million years ago (a.k.a. 4.6 billion years ago) and a lecture (you can watch the video, he talks about it about halfway through, here) I had recently heard jumped to my mind.
This Creationist, Dr. Kent Hovind, gave note to how rapidly the age of the earth is changing. He noted that, in 1770, the earth was supposedly 70,000 years old. Then, in 1905, 2 billion years old. 1969 it was a whopping 3.6 billion years old. And finally, today it is considered to be 4.6 billion years old.
And then he made an interesting point that I would like to expand on. He said that the earth is getting 21 million years older every year for the last 220 years! That means that the earth is rapidly aging 40 years every minute.
You think National Enquirer is serious journalism, right?
That said, with the Book of Mormon, we are not dealing with a civilization with no written record. What we are dealing with is a written record with no civilization. (Runtu, Feb 2015)
You think this link justifies you turning your nose up at reputable science?
I was perusing a book on dinosaurs a while back and I noticed something that reminded me of something else. This book said that the earth formed 4,600 million years ago (a.k.a. 4.6 billion years ago) and a lecture (you can watch the video, he talks about it about halfway through, here) I had recently heard jumped to my mind.
This Creationist, Dr. Kent Hovind, gave note to how rapidly the age of the earth is changing. He noted that, in 1770, the earth was supposedly 70,000 years old. Then, in 1905, 2 billion years old. 1969 it was a whopping 3.6 billion years old. And finally, today it is considered to be 4.6 billion years old.
And then he made an interesting point that I would like to expand on. He said that the earth is getting 21 million years older every year for the last 220 years! That means that the earth is rapidly aging 40 years every minute.
You think National Enquirer is serious journalism, right?
Actually, "scientific" evolution and The National Enquirer are in the same league ---- popular hype that people buy into. Creationist, Dr. Kent Hovind, I believe, was making the point that 6 days of Creation have remain the same, while the uniformitarian has been adding and adding and adding to suit his own contrivances...
2 Kings 19:1-39 When King Hezekiah heard, he tore his clothes and put on sackcloth and went into the temple of the Lord. He sent Eliakim the palace administrator, Shebna the secretary and the leading priests, all wearing sackcloth, to the prophet Isaiah son of Amoz. They told him, that this day is a day of distress and rebuke and disgrace, as like when child birth comes and the mother has no strength for the delivery. Maybe God will hear all the words of the field commander, the king of Assyria, sent to ridicule the living God, and that God will rebuke him for the words the Lord your God heard. Pray for the remnant that survives.
King Hezekiah’s officials came to Isaiah, Isaiah said to them, “Tell your master, ‘This is what the Lord says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard—those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! When he hears a certain report, I will make him want to return to his own country, and there I will have him killed with the sword.’”
When the field commander heard that the king of Assyria had left Lachish, he withdrew and found the king fighting against Libnah. Now Sennacherib received a report that Tirhakah, the king of Cush,was marching out to fight against him. So he again sent messengers to Hezekiah with this word: “Say to Hezekiah king of Judah: Do not let the god you depend on deceive you when he says, ‘Jerusalem will not be given into the hands of the king of Assyria.’ Surely you have heard what the kings of Assyria have done to all the countries, destroying them completely. And will you be delivered? Did the gods of the nations that were destroyed by my predecessors deliver them—the gods of Gozan, Harran, Rezeph and the people of Eden who were in Tel Assar? Where is the king of Hamath or the king of Arpad? Where are the kings of Lair, Sepharvaim, Hena and Ivvah?”
Hezekiah received the letter and read it. Then he went up to the temple of the Lord and lay prostrate before the Lord. Hezekiah prayed to the Lord: “Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned between the cherubim, you alone are God over all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth. Listen, Lord, and hear; open your eyes, Lord, and see; listen to the words Sennacherib has sent to ridicule the living God.
“It is true, Lord, that the Assyrian kings have laid waste these nations and their lands. They have thrown these national/city gods into the fire and destroyed them, for they were not gods but only carvings, fashioned by man. Now, Lord our God, deliver us from his hand, so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you alone, Lord, are God.”
Isaiah son of Amoz sent a message to Hezekiah: “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: I have heard your prayer concerning Sennacherib king of Assyria. This is the word that the Lord has spoken against him:
“‘Virgin Daughter Zion despises you and mocks you. Daughter Jerusalem tosses her head as you flee. Who is it you have ridiculed and blasphemed? Against whom have you raised your voice and lifted your eyes in pride? Against the Holy One of Israel! By your messengers you have ridiculed the Lord. And you have said, “With my many chariots I have ascended the heights of the mountains, the utmost heights of Lebanon. I have cut down its tallest cedars, the choicest of its junipers. I have reached its remotest parts, the finest of its forests. I have dug wells in foreign lands and drunk the water there. With the soles of my feet I have dried up all the streams of Egypt.” “‘Have you not heard? Long ago I ordained it. In days of old I planned it; now I have brought it to pass, that you have turned fortified cities into piles of stone. Their people, drained of power, are dismayed and put to shame. They are like plants in the field, like tender green shoots, like grass sprouting on the roof, scorched before it grows up. “‘But I know where you are and when you come and go and how you rage against me. Because you rage against me and because your insolence has reached my ears, I will put my hook in your nose and my bit in your mouth, and I will make you return by the way you came.’
“This will be the sign for you, Hezekiah:
“This year you will eat what grows by itself, and the second year what springs from that. But in the third year sow and reap, plant vineyards and eat their fruit. Once more a remnant of the kingdom of Judah will take root below and bear fruit above. For out of Jerusalem will come a remnant, and out of Mount Zion a band of survivors. “The intensity of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.
“As the result, this is what the Lord says concerning the king of Assyria:
“‘He will not enter this city or shoot an arrow here. He will not come before it with shield or build a siege ramp against it. By the way that he came he will return; he will not enter this city, declares the Lord. I will defend this city and save it, for my sake and for the sake of David my servant.’”
That night the angel of the Lord went out and put to death a 185,000 in the Assyrian camp. When the people got up the next morning—there were all dead bodies! Sennacherib king of Assyria broke camp and withdrew. He returned to Nineveh and stayed there. One day, while he was worshiping in the pagan temple of his god fake Nisrok, his sons Adrammelek and Sharezer killed him with the sword, and they fled to the land of Ararat. Esarhaddon another of his sons succeeded him as king.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And it cometh to pass, at king Hezekiah's hearing, that he rendeth his garments, and covereth himself with sackcloth, and entereth the house of Jehovah,
2 and sendeth Eliakim, who [is] over the house, and Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests, covering themselves with sackcloth, unto Isaiah the prophet, son of Amoz,
3 and they say unto him, `Thus said Hezekiah -- A day of distress, and rebuke, and despising [is] this day; for come have sons unto the birth, and power there is not to bring forth.
4 `It may be Jehovah thy God doth hear all the words of the chief of the butlers with which the king of Asshur his lord hath sent him to reproach the living God, and hath decided concerning the words that Jehovah thy God hath heard, and thou hast lifted up prayer for the remnant that is found.'
5 And the servants of king Hezekiah come in unto Isaiah,
6 and Isaiah saith to them, `Thus do ye say unto your lord: Thus said Jehovah, Be not afraid because of the words that thou hast heard, with which the servants of the king of Asshur have reviled Me.
7 Lo, I am giving in him a spirit, and he hath heard a report, and hath turned back to his land, and I have caused him to fall by the sword in his land.'
8 And the chief of the butlers turneth back and findeth the king of Asshur fighting against Libnah, for he hath heard that he hath journeyed from Lachish.
9 And he heareth concerning Tirhakah king of Cush, saying, `Lo, he hath come out to fight with thee;' and he turneth and sendeth messengers unto Hezekiah, saying,
10 `Thus do ye speak unto Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God lift thee up in whom thou art trusting, saying, Jerusalem is not given into the hand of the king of Asshur.
11 Lo, thou hast heard that which the kings of Asshur have done to all the lands -- to devote them; and thou art delivered!
12 did the gods of the nations deliver them whom my fathers destroyed -- Gozan, and Haran, and Rezeph, and the sons of Eden, who [are] in Thelassar?
13 Where [is] the king of Hamath, and the king of Arpad, and the king of the city of Sepharvaim, Hena, and Ivvah?'
14 And Hezekiah taketh the letters out of the hand of the messengers, and readeth them, and goeth up to the house of Jehovah, and Hezekiah spreadeth it before Jehovah.
15 And Hezekiah prayeth before Jehovah, and saith, `O Jehovah, God of Israel, inhabiting the cherubs, Thou [art] God Himself -- Thyself alone -- to all the kingdoms of the earth: Thou hast made the heavens and the earth.
16 Incline, O Jehovah, Thine ear, and hear; open, O Jehovah, Thine eyes, and see; and hear Thou the words of Sennacherib with which he hath sent him to reproach the living God.
17 `Truly, O Jehovah, kings of Asshur have laid waste the nations, and their land,
18 and have put their gods into fire, for they [are] no gods, but work of the hands of man, wood and stone, and destroy them.
19 And now, O Jehovah our God, save us, we pray Thee, out of his hand, and know do all kingdoms of the earth that Thou [art] Jehovah God -- Thyself alone.'
20 And Isaiah son of Amoz sendeth unto Hezekiah, saying, `Thus said Jehovah, God of Israel, That which thou hast prayed unto Me concerning Sennacherib king of Asshur I have heard:
21 this [is] the word that Jehovah spake concerning him: `Trampled on thee -- laughed at thee, Hath the virgin daughter of Zion Behind thee shaken the head -- Hath the daughter of Jerusalem?
22 Whom hast thou reproached and reviled? And against whom lifted up a voice? Yea, thou dost lift up on high thine eyes -- Against the Holy One of Israel!
23 By the hand of thy messengers Thou hast reproached the Lord, and sayest: In the multitude of my chariots I have come up to a high place of mountains -- The sides of Lebanon, And I cut down the height of its cedars, The choice of its firs, And I enter the lodging of its extremity, The forest of its Carmel.
24 I have digged, and drunk strange waters, And I dry up with the sole of my steps All floods of a bulwark.
25 Hast thou not heard from afar, it I made, From days of old that I formed it? Now I have brought it in, And it becometh a desolation, Ruinous heaps [are] fenced cities,
26 And their inhabitants [are] feeble-handed, They were broken down, and are dried up, They have been the herb of the field, And the greenness of the tender grass, Grass of the roofs, And blasted corn -- before it hath risen up!
27 And thy sitting down, and thy going out, And thy coming in, I have known, And thine anger towards Me;
28 Because of thine anger towards Me, And thy noise -- it came up into Mine ears, I have put My hook in thy nose, And My bridle in thy lips, And have caused thee to turn back, In the way in which thou camest.
29 And this to thee [is] the sign, Food of the year [is] the spontaneous growth, And in the second year the self-produced, And in the third year sow ye, and reap, And plant vineyards, and eat their fruits.
30 And it hath continued -- The escaped of the house of Judah That hath been left -- to take root beneath, And hath made fruit upward.
31 For from Jerusalem goeth out a remnant, And an escape from mount Zion; The zeal of Jehovah [of Hosts] doth this.
32 Therefore, thus said Jehovah, Concerning the king of Asshur: He doth not come in unto this city, Nor doth he shoot there an arrow, Nor doth he come before it with shield. Nor doth he pour out against it a mount.
33 In the way that he cometh in -- In it he turneth back, And unto this city he doth not come in, The affirmation of Jehovah --
34 And I have covered over this city, To save it, for Mine own sake, And for the sake of David My servant.'
35 And it cometh to pass, in that night, that a messenger of Jehovah goeth out, and smiteth in the camp of Asshur a hundred eighty and five thousand, and they rise early in the morning, and lo, all of them [are] dead corpses.
36 And Sennacherib king of Asshur journeyeth, and goeth, and turneth back, and dwelleth in Nineveh;
37 and it cometh to pass, he is bowing himself in the house of Nisroch his god, and Adramelech and Sharezar [his sons] have smitten him with the sword, and they have escaped to the land of Ararat, and Esar-Haddon his son reigneth in his stead.
This Creationist, Dr. Kent Hovind, gave note to how rapidly the age of the earth is changing. He noted that, in 1770, the earth was supposedly 70,000 years old.
for what it's worth, this is inaccurate. Early in the 18th century Benoit de Maillet estimated the earth's age to be at least 2 billion years. In the 1770s, George de Buffon conducted experiments that determined the age of the earth to be at least several million years, but he was under pressure from the Sorbonne and published a much lower estimate (~70,000 years). Of course, neither Malliet's nor Buffon's estimates were based on radiometric dating, but on rather flawed physical models.
Then, in 1905, 2 billion years old.
I haven't come across a reference for this, so I don't know what Hovind has in mind. for what it's worth, 1905 was the year that radiometric dating was first proposed as a method of time-measurement. Radiometry was of limited value for quite some time, as most decay rates was unknown and the nature of isotopes remained a mystery. Using chemical data, in 1921 Henry Russell concluded that the earth's crust could not be older than 8 billion years.
1969 it was a whopping 3.6 billion years old.
I'm not sure about this reference, either. In 1953, F.G. Houtermans used Clair Patterson's radiometric data to compute an age of 4.5 give or take 0.3 billion years. In 1956, Patterson himself calculated an age of 4.55 ± 0.07 billion years.
And finally, today it is considered to be 4.6 billion years old.
Actually, it is 4.55 ± 0.02 billion years. This remains within the thresholds calculated by Patterson and Houtermans in the 1950s.
WARNING: blatant ad hominem follows: In other words, Hovind is displaying the sort of intellectual rigor you might expect from someone of his character (paper-mill doctorate, convicted on 50-something federal counts including tax evasion and smurfed financial transactions).
LittleNipper wrote:She is free to hit him in the head with a frying pan. Why should she want to yank off his genitals. And why would someone what to harm me? Perhaps I provoked it?
The Bible says her hand should be cut off!
Are you a "Christian in the biblical sense" as you claim or not?
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
LittleNipper wrote:She is free to hit him in the head with a frying pan. Why should she want to yank off his genitals. And why would someone what to harm me? Perhaps I provoked it?
The Bible says her hand should be cut off!
Are you a "Christian in the biblical sense" as you claim or not?
Jesus fulfilled the legalities of the biblical law. Example: Burnt offerings are no longer required. But again, if two men are fighting each other, why should the wife get involved? I punch you in the mouth and blacken your eye, why should your wife make me a eunuch?
This Creationist, Dr. Kent Hovind, gave note to how rapidly the age of the earth is changing. He noted that, in 1770, the earth was supposedly 70,000 years old.
for what it's worth, this is inaccurate. Early in the 18th century Benoit de Maillet estimated the earth's age to be at least 2 billion years. In the 1770s, George de Buffon conducted experiments that determined the age of the earth to be at least several million years, but he was under pressure from the Sorbonne and published a much lower estimate (~70,000 years). Of course, neither Malliet's nor Buffon's estimates were based on radiometric dating, but on rather flawed physical models.
Then, in 1905, 2 billion years old.
I haven't come across a reference for this, so I don't know what Hovind has in mind. for what it's worth, 1905 was the year that radiometric dating was first proposed as a method of time-measurement. Radiometry was of limited value for quite some time, as most decay rates was unknown and the nature of isotopes remained a mystery. Using chemical data, in 1921 Henry Russell concluded that the earth's crust could not be older than 8 billion years.
1969 it was a whopping 3.6 billion years old.
I'm not sure about this reference, either. In 1953, F.G. Houtermans used Clair Patterson's radiometric data to compute an age of 4.5 give or take 0.3 billion years. In 1956, Patterson himself calculated an age of 4.55 ± 0.07 billion years.
And finally, today it is considered to be 4.6 billion years old.
Actually, it is 4.55 ± 0.02 billion years. This remains within the thresholds calculated by Patterson and Houtermans in the 1950s.
WARNING: blatant ad hominem follows: In other words, Hovind is displaying the sort of intellectual rigor you might expect from someone of his character (paper-mill doctorate, convicted on 50-something federal counts including tax evasion and smurfed financial transactions).
There is no actual way to determine the age of the earth, because Christ created it as a finished ecological system. Not to mention that it went through judgment. What does that mean? It means that in order to make a universe that represented His attributes and one ready for life. God worked fast according to his revelation. 6 days is hardly slow but it did provide us with the perfect illustration of the classic work week. We have had 7 day weeks since the Creation. And what artist grows a tree in his painting. He creates the mature trees and the saplings, as the artist sees fit. And the Flood inevitably left scars on God's creation. The ONLY reason to even presume the billions of unwitnessed years is because the theorist excludes GOD from his equation. Anyone who believes in God must realize that God can do anything as slowly or as quickly as He aspires. If indeed "aspire" can be even applied towards God. So, let's just say PLANS.
LittleNipper wrote:There is no actual way to determine the age of the earth,
Of course there is. Within a margin-of-error, of course.
Not to mention that it went through judgment. What does that mean? It means that in order to make a universe that represented His attributes and one ready for life.
Eh ... what?
God worked fast according to his revelation. 6 days is hardly slow but it did provide us with the perfect illustration of the classic work week. We have had 7 day weeks since the Creation.
No, we haven't. The earliest evidence we have for a 7-day week comes from Babylon around 600 bce or so. A 10-day week was used in Asia at least a thousand years before that. Ancient Egypt also used a 10-day week.
And what artist grows a tree in his painting. He creates the mature trees and the saplings, as the artist sees fit.
And the world is like an apple whirling silently in space. Like the circles that you find in the windmills of your mind.
Perhaps I provoked it? 