Did someone say horses?

[_Jersey Girl]

Well all I know is that your avatar is one funky picture ... what the heck is that anyway?

[Take three guesses and then I'll tell you what it is. No really...3 guesses.

1. food processor of some sort
2. bird feeder
3. odds and ends sewing leftover holder

Nice try! It's actually a large plastic container of live worms. It's called a "Can 'O Worms".

Wanna open it?

[_beastie]

My objections were not based on the eviction of a minor child. My objections TO the eviction of a minor child are well documented on the thread of origin that you linked to. I'd like to know that people are reading what I write instead of leaping to conclusions.

Again, my objections on this thread, had nothing to do with the eviction of a minor child. I haven't seen any statement on this thread until Gaz's current reply to your (15 year old) question that indicated he was discussing a minor child.

You seemed to object to the method of using other, gruesomely obvious, examples to demonstrate that good intentions are irrelevant in regards to judging certain behaviors.

I did not think, nor insinuate, that you would approve of evicting a minor child. I did assume you would object to using examples - like the previously used Nazi example, or the radical Muslim example - to demonstrate that point. Godwin's law aside, I think that, at times, those comparisons are very apt.

Of course, perhaps I misunderstood your point. This thread has been very heated, and it's easy to misunderstand in such a circumstance. I apologize in advance if I misunderstood.

[_Paul Osborne]

Nice try! It's actually a large plastic container of live worms. It's called a "Can 'O Worms".

Wanna open it?

Holy worms, Batman! I think we better leave that job to Harmony. She is better equiped to handle slimy things.



Paul O

[_Jersey Girl]

You seemed to object to the method of using other, gruesomely obvious, examples to demonstrate that good intentions are irrelevant in regards to judging certain behaviors.

I did not think, nor insinuate, that you would approve of evicting a minor child. I did assume you would object to using examples - like the previously used Nazi example, or the radical Muslim example - to demonstrate that point. Godwin's law aside, I think that, at times, those comparisons are very apt.

Of course, perhaps I misunderstood your point. This thread has been very heated, and it's easy to misunderstand in such a circumstance. I apologize in advance if I misunderstood.

I think I know the exchanges that you're referring to, beastie. My main objection was the hatred being spewed out on Gaz by other while criticizing Gaz for being hatefilled. Gaz was being called a piece of excrement at the time.

There were exchanges wherein Gaz was being criticized for bad parenting when the issue of throwing a kid out of the house was being discussed (EA). At that time, the eviction of a minor child was not on the table.

I further object (though I didn't choose to pursue it at the time) to people mocking Gaz for using a "bawdy" gay life style as an example, accusing him of grasping at a stereotype when in the exchanges that followed, another poster automatically assumed that Gaz's kid would be destitute if evicted and that went totally ignored. At that time, a minor child was not being discussed.

It had more to do with hypocrisy, beastie.

[_beastie]

I think I know the exchanges that you're referring to, beastie. My main objection was the hatred being spewed out on Gaz by other while criticizing Gaz for being hatefilled. Gaz was being called a piece of excrement at the time.

There were exchanges wherein Gaz was being criticized for bad parenting when the issue of throwing a kid out of the house was being discussed (EA). At that time, the eviction of a minor child was not on the table.

I further object (though I didn't choose to pursue it at the time) to people mocking Gaz for using a "bawdy" gay life style as an example, accusing him of grasping at a stereotype when in the exchanges that followed, another poster automatically assumed that Gaz's kid would be destitute if evicted and that went totally ignored. At that time, a minor child was not being discussed.

It had more to do with hypocrisy, beastie.

Why did you assume that a minor child was not being discussed? I know I always had a minor child in mind, and I assumed that other posters' comments may have been based in that assumption, as well.

I believe I'm the poster who assumed the child would be destitute. That assumption was made on the idea of a minor being evicted - and probably forced into prostitution.

[_Jersey Girl]

Why did you assume that a minor child was not being discussed? I know I always had a minor child in mind, and I assumed that other posters' comments may have been based in that assumption, as well.

I believe I'm the poster who assumed the child would be destitute. That assumption was made on the idea of a minor being evicted - and probably forced into prostitution.

No, beastie, it wasn't you.

I didn't assume that a minor child was being discussed because I didn't see Gaz state it on the thread. If you see/saw (see saw?) it, let me know. I try not to assume what I don't see written.

[_Jersey Girl]

This has been bothering me, so I'm just going to comment.

My interest in this story is how and why people can celebrate their hatred and cruelty.

td,

You and I are typically on the same side of the argument when it comes to the issue of maltreatment of children. We still are.

I want to point out to you that on this thread, others have richly meeted out hatred and cruelty on Gaz and posters who have objected to it are few.

Gaz began a thread about horses. His thread was derailed when Ray A. posted off topic for the sole purpose of taunting Gaz. Gaz has been called a piece of excrement twice on this thread. He has offered up the personal details of his family experiences with his sister, shared that his sister is dying of cancer, he has subjected himself to lengthy interrogation and never once has he lost his cool. (I can't say the same for me).

Recently, Ray A. referred to Gaz as a "gay killer". He also said he'd never "resort to the measures" that Gaz has.

What measures has Gaz resorted to except for disassociating with his sister?

Gaz has been raked over the coals here enough to last him a life time. He has had hatred spewed out at him by those who criticize him of harboring hatred!

Why are there so few posters objecting to the celebration of hatred and cruelty that has been heaped on Gaz on this thread?

[_Jersey Girl]

Here is Ray A. accusing Gaz of being a "gay killer". Bolding and underlining:

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/posting.php?mode=edit&f=1&p=262096

You are the a f***-wit dumb Christian.

Now stop having sympathy for Gay-killers - you fool.

[_Jersey Girl]

Do you imagine that there are gay killers on this board?

Lady, can you read English? Did you see the quotes beastie posted from Gaz? What did your Jesus Say? The intent of the heart is revealed in what comes out of the mouth.

Gaz has said he'd drown his own Gay children. And his apology is hollow. I'd like to see some real heartfelt expressions from Gaz that he doesn't mean what he says, or has repented of it. Lip service won't do.

But you once expressed reversations about Gays too. It's your Christianity. You need to pull your Gay-bashing head out of your Christian ass.

You see, as far as I'm concerned - you're full of s***.

Feel free to document any evidence you have of my expressing "reservations about Gays" or where I have "bashed" gays anywhere on this board.

Post your evidence.

[_Paul Osborne]

Why are there so few posters objecting to the celebration of hatred and cruelty that has been heaped on Gaz on this thread?

We have some simple rules in the Mormon church. Mainly, that we should love one another as Christ loves us. Second, it is commanded in our Doctrine & Covenants and other scripture that we must forgive all men their tresspasses. One of the questions in the temple recommend interview focuses on our relationship with family inasmuch as the above commandments are being followed.

That is Mormonism. Take it or leave it.

Paul O