The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's Ills

[Shulem]

The toxicity of the virus....

No Substance. Nothing to see here. Move along.

You are trolling, MG.

[I Have Questions]

The toxicity of the virus....

No Substance. Nothing to see here. Move along.

You are trolling, MG.

TTOC, snore…

[Shulem]

snore…

Not quite.

I'm about to drop a bomb in the Celestial thread: The Mosiah/Benjamin Error, What’s the King’s Name?

The party is not over!

Give me a few minutes...

[Morley]

Mormon talk has a deep habit of blaming doubt or questions on bad desires bad faith. It is a deeply offensive habit and one that MG sometimes repeats creating a good deal of animosity toward himself.

I think the virus is in the room. (looking through the window).

MG, please let’s please address this. I think Huck has made a good point. I’m genuinely interested in your opinion.

Many who have abandoned Church affiliation believe that they’ve often heard Church authorities blame their defections on a desire to sin, laziness, or just being trivially offended. Understandably, ex-Mormons take umbrage at this. Are they wrong? Are they perceiving something that isn’t really happening?

Many on this board also have the impression that you sometimes engage in this same behavior. Again, are they wrong?

[MG 2.0]

Mormon talk has a deep habit of blaming doubt or questions on bad desires bad faith. It is a deeply offensive habit and one that MG sometimes repeats creating a good deal of animosity toward himself.

I think the virus is in the room. (looking through the window).

MG, please let’s please address this. I think Huck has made a good point. I’m genuinely interested in your opinion.

Many who have abandoned Church affiliation believe that they’ve often heard Church authorities blame their defections on a desire to sin, laziness, or just being trivially offended. Understandably, ex-Mormons take umbrage at this. Are they wrong? Are they perceiving something that isn’t really happening?

Many on this board also have the impression that you sometimes engage in this same behavior. Again, are they wrong?

Truthfully, I think we would have to sit in a circle in a room and have a transactional face to face discussion on this rather sensitive topic. Want to arrange that? I’ll show up if it isn’t too far away. Please, after Christmas.

I REALLY don’t know any of you people. The funny thing is, you somehow think you know me so well…

Let me know where and when. I’ll bring ice cream if you’ll bring the toppings. Know alcohol or mind altering drugs. Let’s keep it real.

Real life group dynamics aren’t even closely aligned with the realities of a board like this one. Man, what would it be like to sit down with some of you with a bowl of ice cream in hand.

Regards,
MG

[Morley]

MG, please let’s please address this. I think Huck has made a good point. I’m genuinely interested in your opinion.

Many who have abandoned Church affiliation believe that they’ve often heard Church authorities blame their defections on a desire to sin, laziness, or just being trivially offended. Understandably, ex-Mormons take umbrage at this. Are they wrong? Are they perceiving something that isn’t really happening?

Many on this board also have the impression that you sometimes engage in this same behavior. Again, are they wrong?

Truthfully, I think we would have to sit in a circle in a room and have a transactional face to face discussion on this rather sensitive topic. Want to arrange that? I’ll show up if it isn’t too far away. Please, after Christmas.

I REALLY don’t know any of you people. The funny thing is, you somehow think you know me so well…

Let me know where and when. I’ll bring ice cream if you’ll bring the toppings. Know alcohol or mind altering drugs. Let’s keep it real.

Real life group dynamics aren’t even closely aligned with the realities of a board like this one. Man, what would it be like to sit down with some of you with a bowl of ice cream in hand.

Regards,
MG

Meeting face-to-face is a whole different topic. While that might be nice, it’s not relevant in this particular case.

My two questions are pretty straightforward. You seem to be dodging them.

Why no answer to either me or Huck (a guy who consistently stands up for you)?

[I Have Questions]

snore…

Not quite.

I'm about to drop a bomb in the Celestial thread: The Mosiah/Benjamin Error, What’s the King’s Name?

The party is not over!

Give me a few minutes...

[Shulem]

ikr

[Limnor]

Why no answer to either me or Huck (a guy who consistently stands up for you)?

I think we may have entered a new phase in the conflict, in which a new operation is tentatively being considered for execution.

Our intelligence suggests the new approach is a named operation. Please see below summary assessment using the five paragraph SMEAC format.

Operation HAYSTACK EFFECT: Reduced Engagement Plan

Purpose: Enable orderly withdrawal from contested discussion while preserving moral high ground and controlling messaging.

Situation: The information environment has degraded. Engagement no longer produces desired effects. Continued presence may invite escalation or loss of posture.

Mission: The individual will disengage from active participation while describing withdrawal as principled restraint rather than fatigue or concession.

Execution:

1. Concept of the Operation: Employ reduced engagement language as discernment. Frame posture as elevation from participation to observation.

2. Key Tasks:

a. Characterize the environment as “toxic” or “unhealthy.”
b. Announce disengagement while continuing to comment on engagement itself.
c. Portray withdrawal as costly but necessary for personal integrity.

3. End State: The individual exits the discussion without conceding any substantive point, maintains moral authority, and renders further response unnecessary or inappropriate.

Administration and Logistics/Sustainment: Emphasize self-health and preference for long-term achievement of objectives. Any continued criticism confirms the assessment and validates withdrawal.

Command and Signal: Disengagement will be publicly declared. Silence thereafter will be interpreted as wisdom.

Forgive me Dean Robbers, sometimes I just can’t resist the satire.

[Chap]

Yes, but not THAT much fun. You see, I remember the old days when real meaty mopologists roamed this board, and could be engaged in combat on issues that were, essentially, matters of fact or logic. They lost, and they left.

So, no more red meat in this forum. All we have left is a single solitary jellyfish, infinitely slithery and elusive, and even if you do catch him he doesn't taste of anything much.

The toxicity of the virus and its ongoing nature of spreading keeps many away. As it is, I’ve found it rather interesting to observe over time. But it can be rather sickening unless one keeps their distance.

Regards,
MG

If one feels that your posts are hugely less interesting than those previously posted by Mormon apologists on this board who asserted the truth of substantive propositions, and says so, one is suffering from a virus? And if one asserts that those apologists ceased to post here when their assertions had been clearly disproved, one is also suffering from a virus?

Or could it just be that your posts really are not very interesting, because they are more or less devoid of objective content whose truth or falsehood is capable of being rationally evaluated? Putting it simply, attempts to have discussions with you often end up with you either saying, in effect "Nothing you say can stop me asserting whatever I like" or "You have hurt my feelings and I won't talk to you any more". That's massively yawn-inducing, given that this is supposed to be a discussion board.