unban Jersey Girl

[_Milesius]

I just became familiar with this but Jersey Girl's demand that Darrick be banned within 15 minutes or else was peevish and gratuitous.

[_Jason Bourne]

She threatened to initiate legal action and said that the first step would be to file a complaint with the webhost if her 15 minute deadline was not met.

Yes you keep saying this. I said I revised my comments. So you can drop this.

Her 15 minute deadline was not met and she went ahead and filed a complaint with the webhost.

Is that a legal action? And what was the nature of her complaint?

The webhost rejected her, but the action potentially threatened the board.

Did it? How so? Did your delay in banning Darrick even temporarily threaten the board?

She didn't do anything after that, though Darrick was banned at that point so she was appeased.

Ok

Granted, there was no legal action she could take -

So there you have it.

it's hard not to imagine any attorney simply laughing at the mere thought of her thinking there is some legal case for her in all of this -

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Which is exactly one of the points she makes. Did Shades share the email with you that he apparently was only interested in perusing?

but she certainly made threats and took some action that risked the functioning of the board.

Really? You think the board would have ceased to exist over this?

This is a far cry from what you had been saying which is that she didn't threaten lawsuits and only made an inquiry.

Get shades to post her email her for all to see.

That's just misleading

I am simply stating what I read from her. And you just said she took no legal action. And I conceded that she did threaten such in her posting on the board. So I am not misleading anyone.

[_Jason Bourne]

She publicly threatened this board with legal action and that is documented in the archives. Plus, she sent me PMs that say exactly what she was doing.

Yep

Jersey Girl may be recanting now, but what about next time someone threatens legal action? Do they get a ride because they were angry and have in real life issues? Do we just say, "Oh, that's just Jersey Girl, she may be publicly threatening legal action that will shut the board down, but we really know she's just has emotional and anger issues and she won't really do it?"

I do not know. Depends.

Like I said, I think a few of you are blind to what really happened here.

I admitted my bias. And if I recall you were going to leave the board unless Darrick was banned. While certainly not to the same scale is JGs public threat you still were not happy about things. Do you think the Mods handled this well? Maybe a mod or two should be banned as well for failing miserably to deal with the issue.

[_LDSToronto]

I admitted my bias. And if I recall you were going to leave the board unless Darrick was banned. While certainly not to the same scale is JGs public threat you still were not happy about things. Do you think the Mods handled this well? Maybe a mod or two should be banned as well for failing miserably to deal with the issue.

I stopped posting until Derrick was banned. Do I think the mods handled this well? Good question - on the one hand, I think the whole kerfuffle could have been avoided if Derrick's original temporary ban had been announced immediately. At the same time, I understand that mods are not 24 hour security guards - if the mods were all at Sunday brunch or at church, should they immediately hop into action, or really, could we all not wait a few hours to see things get resolved.

Jersey Girl's 15-minutes-or-else threat was unreasonable given the mods have families, jobs, and other commitments.

Regarding her ban - yes, the mods have acted reasonably. I don't feel Shades owes anyone an explanation.

H.

[_Jason Bourne]

Regarding her ban - yes, the mods have acted reasonably. I don't feel Shades owes anyone an explanation.

H.

Well we certainly disagree on the explanation part. I think he owes us one. Jersey Girl has been here from the beginning. So have I. We do make up part of what this board is really, for better or worse. And we disagree on the permanent banning part as well.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

Regarding her ban - yes, the mods have acted reasonably. I don't feel Shades owes anyone an explanation.

H.

Well we certainly disagree on the explanation part. I think he owes us one. Jersey Girl has been here from the beginning. So have I. We do make up part of what this board is really, for better or worse. And we disagree on the permanent banning part as well.

How does Shades anyone anything? We post here for free, at his expense, and we claim some kind of squatter's rights? No, he owes us diddly, we owe him a thank you.

[_Jason Bourne]

How does Shades anyone anything? We post here for free, at his expense, and we claim some kind of squatter's rights? No, he owes us diddly, we owe him a thank you.

Well that is not my style. But I am more a collaborator. And with out board members there is no board. Shades used to ask people about things, changes on the board and so on. I thought that was his style too. But maybe not on such issues as this.

[_Morley]

How does Shades anyone anything? We post here for free, at his expense, and we claim some kind of squatter's rights? No, he owes us diddly, we owe him a thank you.

I agree, Spurven, we owe Shades a "thank you." And Shades owes us some dialogue. That's how community (and social interaction) works.

I'm not particularly attached to any given outcome, but I'd hate to think the action was arbitrary.

I appreciate EA, Liz, and LDST for helping to fill the information voids. It's your turn, good doctor.

[_hobo1512]

Personally, I am on Shades and the mods side.

Jersey Girl fed into the whole squabble. She knew Darrick's posting behavior, she knew how volatile he could be, but she kept feeding into it.

Bottom line is, she should have known better.

I have no ill will toward her at all, but she did make a threat. it ultimately fell apart on her, but she still made the threat.

I don't envy Shades or the other mods in their decisions, but I do support them.

[_Yoda]

But the fact remains...he is an adult. He CHOSE to administrate this board. And, as a consequence, a community has been formed. If he does not understand that he does have a responsibility to that community, then I REALLY don't know Shades as well as I thought I did.

Liz, isn't the banning of Jersey Girl evidence that Shades not only understands that he has a responsibility to the community of this board, but that he has the minerals required to do what is necessary to ensure that community is protected?

Jersey Girl got banned for something Jersey Girl did that threatened this community (as far as I can see). Regardless of who the poster is who was banned, what their history is etc. We do not know the ins and outs of it, nor should we. All we need to know is that when push came to shove, Shades acted in a manner consistent with the desire to maintain this board, this forum, on our behalf.

Liz, I think I am disappointed with your apparent lack of support for Shades and that you chose to display it in public on the board.

Yes, Drifting, my "apparent lack of support for Shades" is certainly evident in my volunteering hours of my time for the past 10 years to the more times than not, thankless job of Moderating this board.

Here are the facts in this incident:

1. We allowed a known stalker....someone who had a police record for physically stalking a member of this board to post here.

2. This stalker began exhibiting threatening behavior to Jersey Girl and other members of this board.

3. Complaints, including complaints from Jersey Girl, were initially reported through proper channels (the report feature).

4. 24 hours later, the stalker was still being allowed to post on the board.

5. In an attempt to get the stalker off the board, since going through proper channels had done no good, Jersey Girl gave the Mods a 15 minute window to do something.(This is AFTER the 24 hour period where NOTHING was done).

6. Jersey Girl filed an Inquiry with the web host in an attempt to get the stalker banned.....NOT to take the board down....NOT to sue the Moderators....but to get the stalker banned.

7. Jersey Girl was banned, permanently, from a community she has contributed to, and has been an integral part of for the past 10 years.

So yes, Drifting, based on these facts, I am NOT thrilled with Shades' decision.

I am not the type of person who plays games. If there is something I don't agree with, I am open about it. If that disappoints either you, or Shades, I am sorry to disappoint you. But I won't apologize for how I handle things.