Science is a tool that can be abused!

[_Franktalk]

The only thing that "counts" in science is the scientific consensus.

The only thing that "counts" in religion is the religious consensus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYnwTSI2XfQ

[_Franktalk]

Again theories are tentative until proven false.

In like manner any data that may be found that agrees with dualism will be irrelevant because we already have the facts that falsify it.

One of these things is not like the other. And you had no problem writing it down.

[_Franktalk]

I figured for post 2000 I would do something different.

This is why we have a limited connection to our greater self. If it was more than it is then we would be doing this all of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQXVHITd1N4

[_spotlight]

Umm, dualism meaning that the mind consists of an external soul as in Rene Descartes? Ever hear of him? "I think therefore I am" ring a bell? This is what I am referring to as it has application to your idea of detachable souls inhabiting bodies in the universe but they are really eternal in nature. Are we on the same page now?

So you accept the idea of dualism even though we are in a sea of opposites? All of those opposites we have embraced in our society are fine but Lord help us if anyone talks of something not on the approved list.

I need to buy you a sieve so you can separate your thoughts and focus on one thought at a time. Dualism - opposites - approved list. Are you on meds?

Dualism - the idea that mind might be due to something other than the brain - has to be considered a possibility by science even if those who research it have particular views about it one way or another. It is not on an approved list, there is no approved list, and no one approves a list. What on earth embracing opposites within society has to do with anything I don't have a clue.

[Guest]

Again theories are tentative until proven false.

In like manner any data that may be found that agrees with dualism will be irrelevant because we already have the facts that falsify it.

One of these things is not like the other. And you had no problem writing it down.

Very simple now for Frank.


Joe is the current suspect in a murder.

These clues agree with that theory: A, B and C.

The theory of guilt is tentative, never proven absolutely, only beyond a reasonable doubt.

But we have a video that shows Joe at a location 1,000 miles from the murder scene at the time in question.

The theory that Joe commited the crime has now been falsified.

Detective Kelly didn't get the memo and in the meantime has collected more evidence that could in principle point to Joe.

This evidence is irrelevant because we already have the fact that clears Joe in hand.

[_spotlight]

The only thing that "counts" in science is the scientific consensus.

The only thing that "counts" in religion is the religious consensus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYnwTSI2XfQ

The logic of Franktalk.
This is a consensus. That is a consensus. They are both some sort of a consensus. Therefore they are both equivalent in their merits.

"The building is very tall." Is a sentence in the English language.
"Vomit tastes good." is a sentence in the English language.
They must both be true together or false together since they are both sentences in the English language!

Sometimes you give me a side ache I laugh so hard, Thank you Frank.

[_Franktalk]

Dualism - the idea that mind might be due to something other than the brain - has to be considered a possibility by science even if those who research it have particular views about it one way or another. It is not on an approved list, there is no approved list, and no one approves a list. What on earth embracing opposites within society has to do with anything I don't have a clue.

Do you see the advancement of man's knowledge as planned or an accident? Do you see the ideas coming from science fiction a plan or an accident? Do you see the stable environment of the earth as planned or an accident? Do you see the ideas of the prophets hinting at a greater reality a plan or an accident? Do you see the obsession that man has with belief systems a plan or an accident? Are the thoughts in your head coming from free will or are they deterministic (an accident)? Is there a purpose to life or is it an accident?

Yes Spotlight the entire cosmos aligned itself in just the right state for me to ask you these questions. Or not.

[_Franktalk]

Very simple now for Frank.


Joe is the current suspect in a murder.

These clues agree with that theory: A, B and C.

The theory of guilt is tentative, never proven absolutely, only beyond a reasonable doubt.

But we have a video that shows Joe at a location 1,000 miles from the murder scene at the time in question.

The theory that Joe commited the crime has now been falsified.

Detective Kelly didn't get the memo and in the meantime has collected more evidence that could in principle point to Joe.

This evidence is irrelevant because we already have the facts that clear Joe in hand.

Joe has a twin who has worked with him on the murder. What you fail to consider is ALL theories can be broken with new data.

[Guest]

Dualism - the idea that mind might be due to something other than the brain - has to be considered a possibility by science even if those who research it have particular views about it one way or another. It is not on an approved list, there is no approved list, and no one approves a list. What on earth embracing opposites within society has to do with anything I don't have a clue.

Do you see the advancement of man's knowledge as planned or an accident? Do you see the ideas coming from science fiction a plan or an accident? Do you see the stable environment of the earth as planned or an accident? Do you see the ideas of the prophets hinting at a greater reality a plan or an accident? Do you see the obsession that man has with belief systems a plan or an accident? Are the thoughts in your head coming from free will or are they deterministic (an accident)? Is there a purpose to life or is it an accident?

Yes Spotlight the entire cosmos aligned itself in just the right state for me to ask you these questions. Or not.

Frank,
Reading between the lines you are saying our environment/planet was tailored and planned to harbor us. Do you have any evidence to support this, or does the evidence support the idea that life has arisen to fill the conditions of the environment?

[_spotlight]

Do you see the advancement of man's knowledge as planned or an accident?

It's the result of the means being invented to hold onto knowledge and conserve it - the invention of writing and recording information. The very thing you advocate casting to the winds in order to take your inward journey. So a society taking your inward journey is a society that losses the advancement of man's knowledge and it becomes a moot point whether it was an accident or planned.

Do you see the ideas coming from science fiction a plan or an accident?

They are driven by many things in our complex world. But not everything imagined by science fiction ends up being realised or can be realised in actual fact.

Do you see the stable environment of the earth as planned or an accident?

Stable? For us it may appear so. Give it a couple of billion years and ask this question again. Oh but of course reality revolves around you doesn't it?

Do you see the ideas of the prophets hinting at a greater reality a plan or an accident?

So the mere fact that there are people with mental disorders is significant to you?

Do you see the obsession that man has with belief systems a plan or an accident?

You might be projecting on this one Frank.

Are the thoughts in your head coming from free will or are they deterministic (an accident)?

I see you do not know the difference between determinism and an accident or something random. Why am I not surprised?
Seeing the random nature of most thoughts that pop into my head suggests that they are due to random fluctuations in the brain. The brain likely performs a random search for solutions to problems posed by the model it constructs of reality, you know the one that you think should be tossed aside to take an inward journey (resulting in a brain without a purpose for you Frank).

Is there a purpose to life or is it an accident?

It depends on whether or not the individual adopts one doesn't it?

Yes Spotlight the entire cosmos aligned itself in just the right state for me to ask you these questions. Or not.

And when we deal out a deck of cards the order in which they are found is a miracle! Praise Jebus!