No Trump defenders left ...?

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Re: No Trump defenders left ...?

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Exiled wrote:Sure, investigate and I will believe when there is more evidence other than allegations. In courts of law, in my experience as a lawyer, when a prosecutor indicts or threatens indictment, that is just the beginning. Grand jury indictments are one sided by design because the other side isn't allowed to present their case. Even so, indictments can and do result in convictions. At this point, we are just in the indictment stage and there is a lot of conclusory coverage by the mainstream media and attempts to counter by the idiot's at FOX. We have seen some convictions on satellite issues, but is there more or is this a nothing burger?


Even if the investigation ended now, you'll have to admit it hasn't been a "nothing burger." I'm not sure why you'd call it that.
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Exiled wrote:Sure, investigate and I will believe when there is more evidence other than allegations.
my bold


Excellent. I agree.
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Morley wrote:
Exiled wrote:Sure, investigate and I will believe when there is more evidence other than allegations. In courts of law, in my experience as a lawyer, when a prosecutor indicts or threatens indictment, that is just the beginning. Grand jury indictments are one sided by design because the other side isn't allowed to present their case. Even so, indictments can and do result in convictions. At this point, we are just in the indictment stage and there is a lot of conclusory coverage by the mainstream media and attempts to counter by the idiot's at FOX. We have seen some convictions on satellite issues, but is there more or is this a nothing burger?


Even if the investigation ended now, you'll have to admit it hasn't been a "nothing burger." I'm not sure why you'd call it that.


All he has to do is click on this link:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... arges.html

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Exiled wrote:Trump is a narcissist and a jackass, so let's focus on him.


Well, his being the President of the United States, and his having got into the habit of repeating Russian propaganda talking points about Poland invading Belarus, the Montenegrans starting World War 3, and so on, which he no way got from Fox News let alone a State Department briefing, and there being a considerable possibility of his election having been 'assisted', and his business dealings being quite 'interesting' ... he is certainly worth a second or third slow careful look, wouldn't you say?
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
All he has to do is click on this link:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... arges.html


yep.
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Markk wrote: And while your at it, how much more, percentage wise, does the average federal employee make when compared to the private workforce?


Why do you ask? Do you think the "average federal employee" is overpaid?


Here's the General Schedule pay scale for 2019 (Essentially office workers)

https://www.federalpay.org/gs/2019

Here's the Federal Wage System pay scale for 2018 (Blue Collar)

https://www.federalpay.org/fws/2018

Look down the index to the left to see the other pay scales.

I worked both GS and what is now called FWS jobs. I didn't make money hand over fist, though my pay increased significantly when I entered male dominated blue collar positions.

What's your point? You think they're not worth it? You do realize you're talking about positions that include those outside of DC, right?
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Morley wrote:
Exiled wrote:Sure, investigate and I will believe when there is more evidence other than allegations. In courts of law, in my experience as a lawyer, when a prosecutor indicts or threatens indictment, that is just the beginning. Grand jury indictments are one sided by design because the other side isn't allowed to present their case. Even so, indictments can and do result in convictions. At this point, we are just in the indictment stage and there is a lot of conclusory coverage by the mainstream media and attempts to counter by the idiot's at FOX. We have seen some convictions on satellite issues, but is there more or is this a nothing burger?


Even if the investigation ended now, you'll have to admit it hasn't been a "nothing burger." I'm not sure why you'd call it that.


We only have lying to the FBI so far. I had a couple of clients who did a few months each for this. The design was to have them roll on their supposed master mortgage fraudster. But the case was never made against the big fish. Even so, the FBI and Justice could pad their statistics with the convictions of some small time realtors. At this point, we have convictions of the underlings, so will the case be made against the narcissist? Or is this just theater for other reasons (avoidance of populist legislation)? Also, the alleged Clinton crimes with Uranium One seem bigger than anything dopey Trump could think up. I know I'd like to give a $500,000 speech to some Russians like President Clinton did. But that's been resolved and I really should move on, right?
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Maksutov wrote:Government is not supposed to produce a profit, Markk. Business and government are not the same thing. That's really, really, important. But also...


Government is suppose to be responsible, and when a goverment grows to the point that it spends more than it receives, then it creates a problem of simple math as I outlined in my previous post.

Let's see, you think that the numbers you're suggesting are meaningful? How would you develop meaningful numbers when you consider all of the different industries and professions and economic sectors that are represented? How crude can you get?


What numbers did I suggest?

There is oversight provided for from Congress to handle all of the Constitutional things you've mentioned. Of course that only happens if Congress acts responsibly, which means bipartisanly. That hasn't happened.


LOL..isn't that my point? There is oversight by the patients in the asylum I guess. So when the oversight fails and those writing the checks keep writing them with out money in the account to cover the checks...should we keep those with oversight over this in power?

The deficit is created as much by cutting taxes as by increasing spending. This is basic bookkeeping. You don't reduce your revenue by cutting taxes without consequences. And selectively shutting down parts of the government that your party considers less essential is bypassing the legislative process and ceding too much power to the executive. Again.


Well then you believe we should just keep raising taxes, I do not...and that is a philosophical difference.

But the government is something I value. Something that can respond to me if I'm willing to work with it. It's something that a lot of good Americans have died protecting. It has corruption and mismanagement and problems like any large organization. It needs cleaning up. And we have provisions for that.


No we don't...you just stated our oversight is failing. It does need cleaning up, and it starts by getting those that have caused or let the problem exist out of Washington.
Do you think Pelosi and McConnell are the answer?

I don't admire antigovernment conservatives. Most of them are, frankly, hypocrites. And blathering on about some libertarian society that's about as real as Lemuria. Please.


Either do I...I like liberals and conservatives that want a responsible goverment. You admit that it needs cleaning up right?

It funny that in one breath you want compassionate conservatives...and yet a post rarely by you, to me, or others that disagrees with you goes by without a hateful remark. Why do you feel it necessary to call folks that disagree with you names, does it make you feel like your argument means more? In the last few days I have been called a lot of things, do you think that makes your position stronger, or is that just your nature.
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Exiled wrote:We only have lying to the FBI so far.


All he has to do is click on this link:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... arges.html

eta: I pasted the full link so, I dunno, because I guess I have to do that.

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Chap wrote:Well, his being the President of the United States, and his having got into the habit of repeating Russian propaganda


Do you think he is a manchurian candidate? Or perhaps it's just apologist propaganda? Or maybe I am a victim of anti-mormon ... I mean anti-western propaganda?

Obviously, Putin likes air, water, and food. If I like the same things, am I a Putin Puppet?
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