Jason Bourne wrote:After spending about 15 minutes on his site I see it is not great site at all but full of the distortions, innacuracies and embellishments the Infantus is so full of here. Sure, he starts by telling something that is LDS and does happen in the LDS church but then distorts it. Things like 8 year old children are asked if they masturbate, tithing is on GROSS including food stamps, Medicare and money you even find on the ground, the Church teaches garments have magical powers, etc, etc,
Merc wrote:As for the 8 year olds, I was asked at the time of my baptismal interview if I was sexually moral or something to that effect. It made me feel dirty just being questioned along these lines, especially with my past history. that's all ill get into about that.
Wait...I'm not trying to pry...just want to clarify...You were baptized at 8, and your bishop, in a baptismal interview with you asked you about sexuality? Is that what happened?
If that's the case, this bishop should be throttled! I am SO SORRY that happened to you!
That is a form of abuse, and completely inappropriate.
*cyber hugs*
I must say I find it hard to believe any bishop would ask what merc said when someone is 8. Sorry but I just cannot swallow this one. But if he did I would have no problem thrashing him.
liz3564 wrote: Wait...I'm not trying to pry...just want to clarify...You were baptized at 8, and your bishop, in a baptismal interview with you asked you about sexuality? Is that what happened?
Perhaps Merc did indeed have a pet monkey who was naughty and deserved to be spanked.
liz3564 wrote: Wait...I'm not trying to pry...just want to clarify...You were baptized at 8, and your bishop, in a baptismal interview with you asked you about sexuality? Is that what happened?
Perhaps Merc did indeed have a pet monkey who was naughty and deserved to be spanked.
Huh?
;P
I think the only thing naughty about here is a penguin!
liz3564 wrote:Tithing---Any bishop I have ever interviewed with simply asks...Do you pay a full tithe? Some of the die-hard fundie Mormons insist that it should be paid on gross...but as far as I am aware, there is nothing in the Handbook of Instructions which states which way tithing needs to be paid. Maybe Rollo can shed some light on this one. He has a copy of it.
The Handbook defines "tithing" this way (quoting the First Presidency):
"The simplest statement we know of is the statement of the Lord himself, namely, that the members of the Church should pay one-tenth of all their interest annually, which is understood to mean income. No one is justified in making any other statement than this."
No mention of gross or net income -- it's left up to the individual member, although gross income is certainly implied and encouraged, in my opinion. But based on the above definition, one could certainly calculate tithing on net income and be considered a full tithe-payer.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
liz3564 wrote:Tithing---Any bishop I have ever interviewed with simply asks...Do you pay a full tithe? Some of the die-hard fundie Mormons insist that it should be paid on gross...but as far as I am aware, there is nothing in the Handbook of Instructions which states which way tithing needs to be paid. Maybe Rollo can shed some light on this one. He has a copy of it.
The Handbook defines "tithing" this way (quoting the First Presidency):
"The simplest statement we know of is the statement of the Lord himself, namely, that the members of the Church should pay one-tenth of all their interest annually, which is understood to mean income. No one is justified in making any other statement than this."
No mention of gross or net income -- it's left up to the individual member, although gross income is certainly implied and encouraged, in my opinion. But based on the above definition, one could certainly calculate tithing on net income and be considered a full tithe-payer.
Mercury wrote:I don't see why you are up in arms about learning about Mormonism from zone leaders. I agree with you but at the same time wonder why converts are able to learn about Mormonism from zone leaders or any other missionaries but I'm not able to quote the bulls*** space doctrine spweing forth from every missionary out there.
onflicted and desperate for confirmation Nehor, that's how I see you. But don't worry, that's common among your breed.
If I was desperate for confirmation I wouldn't be here.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:That's not your Bishop's fault you were uncomfortable. It's the fault of whoever caused what happened. Grow up.
Back off, pal. All you're showing right now is what a jerk you can be.
Agreed!
How can you be that callous, Nehor?
No 8 year old should be questioned about such things. No wonder Merc has bitter feelings regarding the Church.
Merc has bitter feelings about the Church because I'm callous? Wow. If callousness is a side-effect of being a member of the Church then it seems Merc never really left.
I can be a jerk. Most everyone here can.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:That's not your Bishop's fault you were uncomfortable. It's the fault of whoever caused what happened. Grow up.
Back off, pal. All you're showing right now is what a jerk you can be.
Agreed!
How can you be that callous, Nehor?
No 8 year old should be questioned about such things. No wonder Merc has bitter feelings regarding the Church.
Merc has bitter feelings about the Church because I'm callous? Wow. If callousness is a side-effect of being a member of the Church then it seems Merc never really left.
I can be a jerk. Most everyone here can.
WTF!!!???
First of all, Merc's bitter feelings about the Church don't stem from YOUR callousness. Do you have RDD (Reading Deficit Disorder) too?
It is beyond me how someone who is normally very caring can completely disregard someone's emotional pain which partially stemmed from child abuse.
Not that you probably care, but I have lost a lot of respect for you.
Mercury wrote:I don't see why you are up in arms about learning about Mormonism from zone leaders. I agree with you but at the same time wonder why converts are able to learn about Mormonism from zone leaders or any other missionaries but I'm not able to quote the bulls*** space doctrine spweing forth from every missionary out there.
onflicted and desperate for confirmation Nehor, that's how I see you. But don't worry, that's common among your breed.
If I was desperate for confirmation I wouldn't be here.
You are possibly here because you wish to live a vicarious exmo life.
And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time And lost in space...and meaning
