truth dancer wrote:I tire of hearing the false notion that men are primitive animals that can't be committed husbands and fathers.
:-)
Just clearing up a few things!
I wasn't suggesting either, TD, but the fact is we are animals, and we have sexual drives just like animals. But we are not primitive. Bonobos don't have governments, and law and order. I know of few husbands and fathers who aren't committed to their roles, but I also know that the incidence of male infidelity is very high. Paper, and studies, mean little when it comes to the reality.
truth dancer wrote:I tire of hearing the false notion that men are primitive animals that can't be committed husbands and fathers.
:-)
Just clearing up a few things!
I wasn't suggesting either, TD, but the fact is we are animals, and we have sexual drives just like animals. But we are not primitive. Bonobos don't have governments, and law and order. I know of few husbands and fathers who aren't committed to their roles, but I also know that the incidence of male infidelity is very high. Paper, and studies, mean little when it comes to the reality.
Leaving aside the argument about whether most men are or are not unfaithful, surely everybody will agree that the only thing Ray A can talk about in this connection is the incidence of male unfaithfulness within the circle intimately known to him, which is unlikely to be either an unbiased sample or a statistically significant one?
The "Paper, and studies" compiled by professional sociologists of sexuality may "mean little" as predictors of behaviour in Ray A's particular circle - the "reality" known to him. But are they not likely to be better at telling us about society on a broader scale that any personal experience of Ray A can ever be?
Chap wrote:Leaving aside the argument about whether most men are or are not unfaithful, surely everybody will agree that the only thing Ray A can talk about in this connection is the incidence of male unfaithfulness within the circle intimately known to him, which is unlikely to be either an unbiased sample or a statistically significant one?
The "Paper, and studies" compiled by professional sociologists of sexuality may "mean little" as predictors of behaviour in Ray A's particular circle - the "reality" known to him. But are they not likely to be better at telling us about society on a broader scale that any personal experience of Ray A can ever be?
I'm not talking about my "little circle". I've been around for a long time, getting long in the tooth, and especially in the last year I've talked to hundreds of people, because of the nature of my job, which is very interesting. As they say, if you want to know what's really going on in society, ask a cabbie. The media and the "experts" don't always portray things as they really are.
Ray A wrote:I'm not talking about my "little circle". I've been around for a long time, getting long in the tooth, and especially in the last year I've talked to hundreds of people, because of the nature of my job, which is very interesting. As they say, if you want to know what's really going on in society, ask a cabbie. The media and the "experts" don't always portray things as they really are.
Excuse me, are you saying that your riders, the people in your cab, confide their inner most secrets to you? They tell you that they're cheating on their wife/husband? Pardon me, but that's worthy of shovel.
harmony wrote: Excuse me, are you saying that your riders, the people in your cab, confide their inner most secrets to you? They tell you that they're cheating on their wife/husband? Pardon me, but that's worthy of shovel.
Absolutely. They don't even try to hide it. You sound very naïve. The only other "workers" who know what really goes on are prostitutes, and I've talked to dozens of them (naturally, because of the nature of my job), and they all tell me that the majority of their customers are married men. And in case you're not aware, I also transport many males to and from brothels, every night. You ought to hear some of the conversations, and I've done this for nearly a year now. They think we are just robots who turn steering wheels.
Chap wrote:Leaving aside the argument about whether most men are or are not unfaithful, surely everybody will agree that the only thing Ray A can talk about in this connection is the incidence of male unfaithfulness within the circle intimately known to him, which is unlikely to be either an unbiased sample or a statistically significant one?
The "Paper, and studies" compiled by professional sociologists of sexuality may "mean little" as predictors of behaviour in Ray A's particular circle - the "reality" known to him. But are they not likely to be better at telling us about society on a broader scale that any personal experience of Ray A can ever be?
I'm not talking about my "little circle". I've been around for a long time, getting long in the tooth, and especially in the last year I've talked to hundreds of people, because of the nature of my job, which is very interesting. As they say, if you want to know what's really going on in society, ask a cabbie. The media and the "experts" don't always portray things as they really are.
Ah! I had forgotten that you were a taxi driver. In my work, I talk to many taxi drivers in different countries, and many of them confide in me about their innermost hopes and fears, their life experience, etc. I think the fact that I am behind them, out of sight, and ready to listen gives them some sort of sense of being in a confessional.
And here is the fruit of a lifetime's cab-riding (yes, I am long in the tooth as well): 75% of cab drivers are omniscient. Put this wise body of men in charge of the government and social policy of whatever country they inhabit, and we would live under paradisal conditions of peace and contentment. Shelley said that poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world. he got it wrong - it's the cabbies.
At least, that's what the cabbies keep telling me.
Chap wrote:And here is the fruit of a lifetime's cab-riding (yes, I am long in the tooth as well): 75% of cab drivers are omniscient. Put this wise body of men in charge of the government and social policy of whatever country they inhabit, and we would live under paradisal conditions of peace and contentment. Shelley said that poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world. he got it wrong - it's the cabbies.
At least, that's what the cabbies keep telling me.
A cabbie would be the last person I would put in charge of government, and he/she would be the last person who would want to be in charge of government.
We are as "omniscient" as it's humanly possible to be. The legislators get it wrong all the time. The politicians have no idea what the common person is really thinking. The law is often an ass, and there's more corruption "out there" than the ordinary person would like to believe.
In modern times a concubine is a woman who cohabits with a man without being his wife. But "from the beginning of creation," all down through the history of God's dealings with his people, including those with the house of israel, concubines were legal wives married to their husbands in the new and everlasting covenant of marriage. (D.&C. 132:1, 37-39, 65)
Anciently they were considered to be secondary wives, that is, wives who did not have the same standing in the caste system then prevailing as did those wives who were not called concubines. There were no concubines connected with the practice of plural marriage in this dispensation, because the caste system which caused some wives to be so designated did not exist.
Mormon Doctrine, pg. 154-155
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
In ancient times, concubines were exchanged, purchased, sold, bought, and treated like other slaves. They served their master's wives and were expected to be available for sex on demand. Their children by their master were considered the property of the actual wives, in most cases. They were in no way considered a wife legally or otherwise.
What silliness and nonsense he speaks.
~dancer~
"The search for reality is the most dangerous of all undertakings for it destroys the world in which you live." Nisargadatta Maharaj
