BYU Porn Study

[_guy sajer]

An interesting tidbit. I was in Siem Reap Cambodia sitting on a terrace downing some brewskies with a gay co-worker and good friend. He was absolutely baffled as to why men got turned on by gal on gal. I tried to explain, but he didn't get it. To him, that was as scinitillating as guy on guy is for me, which is to say not in the least.

Not sure why this is relevant, but this thread made me think of it.

[_Bryan Inks]

It is almost impossible to surf the new without running into some porn. What is harder to find is characters dressed in fuzzy animal costumes.

Furry porn is syphilis for your computer! Get tested!

[_asbestosman]

"Ecchi nano Washington ikenai to omoimasu"
(I think dirty thoughts are bad)
or something like that

[_The Nehor]

Porn has typically been viewed as primarily a man issue and a problem for men. Today women are large users of porn as well.

The vast majority of sexual addicts are men.

The vast majority of porn addicts are men.

So while I agree with your comments I do not think you should look at it from a men objectifying women view point only.

For men, viewing porn is objectifying women; using the bodies of women for their pleasure.

I am also not a fan of women objectifying men, reducing them to a wallet, or otherwise using them either.

My personal viewpoint is that that which brings healing, goodness, love, respect, intimacy, and kindness into the lives of individuals, relationships, and our world is to be embraced.

That which harms healing, goodness, love, respect, intimacy, kindness, etc., is best released.

in my opinion, porn detracts from furthering goodness, equality, and respect in life. I'm saddened that here, in this 21st century women have not really moved beyond being a plaything for men. :-( I hold to the idea that there will be a time when humankind can move beyond this and value woman as something other than a body, but it may be sometime in the distant future... like a few thousand years or so. (sigh).

Just MY OPINION. I totally get others disagree.

I'm NOT SAYING MY PERSONAL VIEWPOINT IS FOR EVERYONE... this is just my personal ideal.

~dancer~

I've always assumed that being each other's mutual plaything was part (and only part) of a good relationship.

[_guy sajer]

Porn has typically been viewed as primarily a man issue and a problem for men. Today women are large users of porn as well.

The vast majority of sexual addicts are men.

The vast majority of porn addicts are men.

So while I agree with your comments I do not think you should look at it from a men objectifying women view point only.

For men, viewing porn is objectifying women; using the bodies of women for their pleasure.

I am also not a fan of women objectifying men, reducing them to a wallet, or otherwise using them either.

My personal viewpoint is that that which brings healing, goodness, love, respect, intimacy, and kindness into the lives of individuals, relationships, and our world is to be embraced.

That which harms healing, goodness, love, respect, intimacy, kindness, etc., is best released.

in my opinion, porn detracts from furthering goodness, equality, and respect in life. I'm saddened that here, in this 21st century women have not really moved beyond being a plaything for men. :-( I hold to the idea that there will be a time when humankind can move beyond this and value woman as something other than a body, but it may be sometime in the distant future... like a few thousand years or so. (sigh).

Just MY OPINION. I totally get others disagree.

I'm NOT SAYING MY PERSONAL VIEWPOINT IS FOR EVERYONE... this is just my personal ideal.

~dancer~

I don't know TD, I'm not sure I'd go as far as you. I think porn is more than just objectifying women. Porn fulfills a number of purposes and needs and not all of them can be reduced to the objectification of women. I think that's too simple of a catch-all explanation. Plus, in some cases where true, one might be very enlightened, fair minded, kind, etc., but still enjoy a bit of porn or objectification, for whatever reason. It does not necessarily translate over into day to day life. If it did, and given the vast quantity of porn consumed, I would think it would be quite noticeable. But I should read over the materials before I say more. Perhaps I'll change my mind.

[_Trevor]

Charity has claimed that guy has generalized about the 'Brethren' in his earlier post. Let's look:

I'd bet my bottom $$ that some of the men in dark suits and white shirts sitting so righteously up on the dais during Gen Conference are porn consumers, casual or otherwise.

In my opinion, he has said that he would bet (meaning he is willing to stake something on a less than certain outcome) that some (meaning 'not all') of the Brethren look at porn.

Do you think this qualifies as generalizing? I would think that he would have had to say "all of the Brethren look at porn" in order to qualify as having generalized. Maybe it's just me.

[_Mercury]

I'll bet the female stats on viewing porn would be higher if you included romance novels. ;)

That's our little soft porn secret. LOL

Not the sweet romance novel genre that I write. No sex, on or off screen. Hearts can pound, but there is not even heavy breathing.

I see, you are that poorly written hack producing the drivel I often saw in Deseret Bookstores. The story about the courageous housewife defending a supporting role to the Ubermormon husband who is off fighting drug cartels, evil politicians or terrorists. All with a general bukkaki-like sheen of oppressive life needs, controlling ritual and social mores permeating the sub-par technothriller-esque "romance" novel.

I think one of the best sci-fi tainted examples is just how messed up Heimerdinger is. What a prick. Mormon themed novels are literary rhyming of Mark Twains commentary on the Book of Mormon.

[_ajax18]

in my opinion, porn detracts from furthering goodness, equality, and respect in life.

It just strikes me as interesting that if porn is so damaging and disrespectful to women, why are women choosing to do it? If they are damaged by it, I certainly don't see it. If it's not worth it to them, why do they continue to do it?

It seems like all we talk about are people viewing porn and their moral repsonsibility. To me it seems worse to actually make the movie and sell it. Whether you look at it or not, it's already on the internet, or as in South America, already on the billboard. Does anyone know if these women all end up psychologically traumatized, or are they often in better shape than had they put up with the emotional abuse of the normal workplace?

I can highly understand the point that one should never pay for porn. I've seen men blow 100s of dollars of money earned in the most brutal of workplaces on strippers the same Friday night. The money came way to hard for me to ever consider that, but nobody was being forced. They all made their own decisions. Yet there is plenty of porn out there for free. I wish I could say I've never seen it, but I am proud to say I've never spent money on it.

[_beastie]

I see, your that poorly written hack I often saw in Deseret Bookstores. The story about the corageous housewife defending a supporting role to the Ubermormon husband who is off fighting drug cartels, evil politicians or terrorists. All with a general bukkaki-like sheen of oppressive life needs, controlling ritual and social mores permeating the sub-par technothriller-esque "romance" novel.

Now THAT sounds like Mormon porn.

Others have mentioned this as well, but aren't romance novels, or romantic movies, the female equivalent of porn? If "real" porn damages women by objectifying them, don't these completely idealized and unrealistic presentations of men alter the reading female's expectations of men, and objectify men as well?

[_harmony]

I see, your that poorly written hack I often saw in Deseret Bookstores. The story about the corageous housewife defending a supporting role to the Ubermormon husband who is off fighting drug cartels, evil politicians or terrorists. All with a general bukkaki-like sheen of oppressive life needs, controlling ritual and social mores permeating the sub-par technothriller-esque "romance" novel.

Now THAT sounds like Mormon porn.

Others have mentioned this as well, but aren't romance novels, or romantic movies, the female equivalent of porn? If "real" porn damages women by objectifying them, don't these completely idealized and unrealistic presentations of men alter the reading female's expectations of men, and objectify men as well?

I disagree. I'm sure there are publications and websites devoted to objectifying men. Those would be the equivalent to female porn. Blatant portrayal of the male form, salaciously posed, would more accurately qualify as female porn.

Books, even steamly romances, appeal to both men and women and leave a great deal to the imagination. Porn leaves nothing to the imagination.