Hinckley's temple building spree.. How useful has it been?

[_Mercury]

More importantly who holds the paper on the temples? Are they owned by the church or are they being used to borrow money for business ventures?

[_the road to hana]

More importantly who holds the paper on the temples? Are they owned by the church or are they being used to borrow money for business ventures?

Church holds all their own paper.

[_Sethbag]

More importantly who holds the paper on the temples? Are they owned by the church or are they being used to borrow money for business ventures?

I rather doubt it. I would be surprised in the extreme if the church were borrowing money against the temples. Hasn't the church got enough money from other sources, such as tithing, and their other investments?

[_Mercury]

More importantly who holds the paper on the temples? Are they owned by the church or are they being used to borrow money for business ventures?

Church holds all their own paper.

How do we know exactly?

[_the road to hana]

More importantly who holds the paper on the temples? Are they owned by the church or are they being used to borrow money for business ventures?

Church holds all their own paper.

How do we know exactly?

Because they own the banks who write the loans. They do all their own financing. They have their own insurance companies, real estate companies, management companies and holding companies.

http://www.deseretmanagement.com/?nid=9

They'll even manage your trust for you these days if you'd like:

http://www.LDS.org/deserettrust/trustservices.html

[_Mercury]

More importantly who holds the paper on the temples? Are they owned by the church or are they being used to borrow money for business ventures?

Church holds all their own paper.

How do we know exactly?

Because they own the banks who write the loans. They do all their own financing. They have their own insurance companies, real estate companies, management companies and holding companies.

http://www.deseretmanagement.com/?nid=9

They'll even manage your trust for you these days if you'd like:

http://www.LDS.org/deserettrust/trustservices.html

So in essence I was right.

[_Maxrep]

At one point, there were quite a few couples in the stake called as "temple patrons". These were young couples. Their purpose was to help fill the almost empty sessions. Give the appearance of young vibrant members anxiously engaged in redeeming the dead.

max, your cynical assessment is a figment of your imagination. I can think of no one demographic group that needs the peace and solace of the temple than young people. And they often think they are too busy to attend. I am quite sure that they were grateful for the calls, because then they could with good conscience take the time to attend. You evidently don't see people in the temple on a regular basis, as I do. They receive peace to their souls, that cannot come from any other source. I'm in the temple 6 hours a week, plus a session twice a month usually, and an occasional sealing session. You simply do not understand what happens in a dedicated temple. And I am not talking about ordinances.

Charity,

this is not about how one views a partially filled glass of water as either half full, or half empty. Sometimes the glass is just completely empty, and its as simple as that.

A relative of mine was called with his wife as one of these patron couples. I learned directly from him that they were there to help fill lackluster sessions. If you want to embellish the purpose of the calling of temple patrons, its just going to make your comments appear somewhat desperate.

[_charity]

At one point, there were quite a few couples in the stake called as "temple patrons". These were young couples. Their purpose was to help fill the almost empty sessions. Give the appearance of young vibrant members anxiously engaged in redeeming the dead.

max, your cynical assessment is a figment of your imagination. I can think of no one demographic group that needs the peace and solace of the temple than young people. And they often think they are too busy to attend. I am quite sure that they were grateful for the calls, because then they could with good conscience take the time to attend. You evidently don't see people in the temple on a regular basis, as I do. They receive peace to their souls, that cannot come from any other source. I'm in the temple 6 hours a week, plus a session twice a month usually, and an occasional sealing session. You simply do not understand what happens in a dedicated temple. And I am not talking about ordinances.

Charity,

this is not about how one views a partially filled glass of water as either half full, or half empty. Sometimes the glass is just completely empty, and its as simple as that.

A relative of mine was called with his wife as one of these patron couples. I learned directly from him that they were there to help fill lackluster sessions. If you want to embellish the purpose of the calling of temple patrons, its just going to make your comments appear somewhat desperate.

Calling people to attend the temple because temple patrons are needed is not the same as saying they want it to appear as though young people are attending. That is your construction.

[_charity]

At one point, there were quite a few couples in the stake called as "temple patrons". These were young couples. Their purpose was to help fill the almost empty sessions. Give the appearance of young vibrant members anxiously engaged in redeeming the dead.

max, your cynical assessment is a figment of your imagination. I can think of no one demographic group that needs the peace and solace of the temple than young people. And they often think they are too busy to attend. I am quite sure that they were grateful for the calls, because then they could with good conscience take the time to attend. You evidently don't see people in the temple on a regular basis, as I do. They receive peace to their souls, that cannot come from any other source. I'm in the temple 6 hours a week, plus a session twice a month usually, and an occasional sealing session. You simply do not understand what happens in a dedicated temple. And I am not talking about ordinances.

Charity,

this is not about how one views a partially filled glass of water as either half full, or half empty. Sometimes the glass is just completely empty, and its as simple as that.

A relative of mine was called with his wife as one of these patron couples. I learned directly from him that they were there to help fill lackluster sessions. If you want to embellish the purpose of the calling of temple patrons, its just going to make your comments appear somewhat desperate.

Calling people to attend the temple because temple patrons are needed is not the same as saying they want it to appear as though young people are attending. That is your construction.

[_solomarineris]

I truly would have wept when he died had he spent that money helping the LIVING needy people rather than the DEAD.

No, you wouldn't have. No matter what the Church does you see it as dark and sinister.[/quote]

Yea...
Does that change the fact that Temples serve the Dead rather than Living?
How many lives could be improved if that money were spent on living?