Latest buffonery concerning SLC downtown development

[_harmony]

CFR

How? There is no financial report.

[_TAK]

CFR

How? There is no financial report.

Jason made a statement of fact..

Despite the Church disclosing on its website that it provided 1 billion dollars of humanitarian assistance over the last 22 years – Jason contends that it also gives another $500 million each year! However the church does not want to disclose that.

I call BS .. CFR

[_harmony]

Jason made a statement of fact..

Despite the Church disclosing on its website that it provided 1 billion dollars of humanitarian assistance over the last 22 years – Jason contends that it also gives another $500 million each year! However the church does not want to disclose that.

I call BS .. CFR

Do you not remember how fast offerings work? Of course the church doesn't say how much is given... or given out. Doing so defeats the purpose of the closed books.

Men are so silly sometimes.

[_moksha]

Do you not remember how fast offerings work? Of course the church doesn't say how much is given... or given out. Doing so defeats the purpose of the closed books.

Men are so silly sometimes.

In our defense, we men had not been informed about the Angel with the Flaming Adding Machine.

[_harmony]

In our defense, we men had not been informed about the Angel with the Flaming Adding Machine.

Makes ya wonder about what the rest of the angels are up to, doesn't it?

[_solomarineris]

Jason Bourne
You may not have noticed but this is one of my complaints as well. I would like to see published financial statements and open books.

No, I did not notice.
I certainly commend your stance.

[_Jason Bourne]

CFR

I already told you how I came up with my estimate. I could care less if you believe me.I have personal experience with this and am aware of what wards spend on this. For my personal experience annual expenditures were $40,000 to $50,000 from FO and this from a fairly average ward. I was conservative with the $20,000 per ward number. I know that you are simply wrong that the 1 billion over 22 years included fast offerings. The number is way to low for that.

[_TAK]

I already told you how I came up with my estimate. I could care less if you believe me.I have personal experience with this and am aware of what wards spend on this. For my personal experience annual expenditures were $40,000 to $50,000 from FO and this from a fairly average ward. I was conservative with the $20,000 per ward number. I know that you are simply wrong that the 1 billion over 22 years included fast offerings. The number is way to low for that.

Jason,
I did not make up those numbers. They come from the Church website linked in an area intended to educate the media. It is highly improbable that; a) they would distinguish humanitarian effort by source of funds and, b) not seek credit for over 10 billion (using your number) over the same period, when they acknowledge 1 billion. It strains credulity.

If it makes you feel any better, your $500 million a year based upon 25,000 wards has to be wildly off. Less than half of the church membership comes from within the US but accounts for over 90% of the Churches income according to the Time article. (Your book may very well say the same thing.) It’s preposterous to think wards in Africa, Mexico, South America and Asia are contributing anything remotely close to $20,000 a year in fast offerings. I doubt they even contribute that much in tithing.

That said, the Fast Offering number may approach a $100 million a year and from appearances and what the Church has acknowledges, they appear to be keeping ½ of the collections.

[_harmony]

Jason,
I did not make up those numbers. They come from the Church website linked in an area intended to educate the media. It is highly improbable that; a) they would distinguish humanitarian effort by source of funds and, b) not seek credit for over 10 billion (using your number) over the same period, when they acknowledge 1 billion. It strains credulity.

If it makes you feel any better, your $500 million a year based upon 25,000 wards has to be wildly off. Less than half of the church membership comes from within the US but accounts for over 90% of the Churches income according to the Time article. (Your book may very well say the same thing.) It’s preposterous to think wards in Africa, Mexico, South America and Asia are contributing anything remotely close to $20,000 a year in fast offerings. I doubt they even contribute that much in tithing.

That said, the Fast Offering number may approach a $100 million a year and from appearances and what the Church has acknowledges, they appear to be keeping ½ of the collections.

No one implies you're making up the numbers. But remember how the fast offerings work? They're used to help needy members. Therefore, they're not the same as the humanitarian aid that is given to the needy outside the church. The church doesn't want to broadcast the amount of money that is used to help the needy members. They only want to broadcast the amount that is used to help humanity itself. They like to keep very quiet about the amount of money they use to help their own members. Kinda like they're ashamed to have to help so many of them. Back sliders, you know. An embarrassment the church would rather hide. After all, LDS are supposed to be recipients of all of heaven's blessings, which, of course, translates to material goods. So really, there should be no poor among us, but some people just cannot seem to do what they're told, and so the church has to help. Not with tithing money though. Never with that. Tithing money is needed for building projects like the downtown mall. Important stuff. Because the poor aren't worthy of tithing being spent on them.

[_TAK]

No one implies you're making up the numbers. But remember how the fast offerings work? They're used to help needy members. Therefore, they're not the same as the humanitarian aid that is given to the needy outside the church. The church doesn't want to broadcast the amount of money that is used to help the needy members. They only want to broadcast the amount that is used to help humanity itself. They like to keep very quiet about the amount of money they use to help their own members. Kinda like they're ashamed to have to help so many of them. Back sliders, you know. An embarrassment the church would rather hide. After all, LDS are supposed to be recipients of all of heaven's blessings, which, of course, translates to material goods. So really, there should be no poor among us, but some people just cannot seem to do what they're told, and so the church has to help. Not with tithing money though. Never with that. Tithing money is needed for building projects like the downtown mall. Important stuff. Because the poor aren't worthy of tithing being spent on them.

Sorry Harmony, I am not buying it, but go ahead and think that is true if that comforts you.