The Nehor wrote:Yeah, the Church puts out lots of crap videos. So what? I've seen the one you're talking about. Found it in an old house and watched it with members on Mission. Didn't like it.
So, to recap, JSM and others said that the church taught that it would eventually convert the world. You ridiculed this statement, and now you say you've seen the official church film but you didn't like it, as if that means it wasn't taught.
I don't get my doctrine from Church films. I get it from scriptures, prophets, and revelation. Read the talk if you want to see President Kimball talking about how we will one day convert all. (Hint: Not there)
If I took things used as Mission pep talks seriously and they'd happened all of Europe would be LDS, I'd be translated several times over, and the Second Coming would be a distant memory by now.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Lucretia MacEvil wrote: And if an investigator is young enough, or desperate enough, or depressed enough, or superstitious enough to join the church on that basis, well, the church will probably be good for him. I suspect the church is attracting a fair share of dysfunctional people these days, although the only person I actually know who has converted in recent history did so for a Mormon woman and left a 25-year marriage to do so.
Now cowpie, lets be nice. I happen to know that many converts to Mormonism are not dysfunctional. However, regardless of the faith, people join religious faiths out of need too. It is not uncommon also to see that religion can attract broken people. After all, how many dysfunctional people followed Christ when he was ministering? I think quite a lot.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
The Nehor wrote:I don't get my doctrine from Church films. I get it from scriptures, prophets, and revelation. Read the talk if you want to see President Kimball talking about how we will one day convert all. (Hint: Not there)
If I took things used as Mission pep talks seriously and they'd happened all of Europe would be LDS, I'd be translated several times over, and the Second Coming would be a distant memory by now.
You clearly don't understand the correlation program. Either way, you shouldn't ridicule people for saying that certain things have been taught when you readily admit that they were.
Lucretia MacEvil wrote: And if an investigator is young enough, or desperate enough, or depressed enough, or superstitious enough to join the church on that basis, well, the church will probably be good for him. I suspect the church is attracting a fair share of dysfunctional people these days, although the only person I actually know who has converted in recent history did so for a Mormon woman and left a 25-year marriage to do so.
Now cowpie, lets be nice. I happen to know that many converts to Mormonism are not dysfunctional. However, regardless of the faith, people join religious faiths out of need too. It is not uncommon also to see that religion can attract broken people. After all, how many dysfunctional people followed Christ when he was ministering? I think quite a lot.
I also find it interesting how many ex-mormons here have psychological and emotional problems. Why are the broken people leaving?
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
why me wrote:Well, you know this is very interesting. A great many people joined the LDS church during the priesthood ban. I do believe that the church was growing by leaps and bounds.
Now suddenly, the blacks and the priesthood has become a bedbug for critics. Of course, the way certain websites portray the LDS church leaves much to be desired. But then again, the LDS are now fighting back and if anyone wishes to read a balanced debate they can. But perhaps many find an easy way out and just read an antisite.
Sure, there was growth during the ban years, but we didn't see the major growth until the mid to late eighties and early nineties.
I don't know what you mean about it being a "bedbug," but it certainly is something that is troubling to members and nonmembers alike.
I was around during the ban and it wasn't that troubling. Not because members were racist...afrícan members were welcomed into the church and treated like every one else by the members. In fact, many were treated even better than white members. I remember this very well. When the ban was lifted there was a great celebration. Now, in our postmodern age, critics act outraged to make a point. But it is false outrage especially if they were members during the ban.
By bedbug, it is brought up by critics over and over again to get people to reject Mormonism.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
The Nehor wrote:I don't get my doctrine from Church films. I get it from scriptures, prophets, and revelation. Read the talk if you want to see President Kimball talking about how we will one day convert all. (Hint: Not there)
If I took things used as Mission pep talks seriously and they'd happened all of Europe would be LDS, I'd be translated several times over, and the Second Coming would be a distant memory by now.
You clearly don't understand the correlation program. Either way, you shouldn't ridicule people for saying that certain things have been taught when you readily admit that they were.
Yeah, I do. A few apostles and Institute Teachers and Seventies get together and decide whether to stamp 'LDS approved' on something. There are errors in them, mistakes, failings, stupid things, etc. You wouldn't believe the attention activity I was supposed to use in Gospel Doctrine last week (shudders).
Yeah, it was taught on the fringe like so many things. I bought it all when I was a kid. Then I learned to distinguish the hype that some people give stuff and avoid 'muddied water' to get to the pure sources of doctrine.
I will still ridicule adults who refuse to move onto an adult understanding of doctrine and instead focus on Seminary style hype. If that makes me a monster, then that is what I am.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:I also find it interesting how many ex-mormons here have psychological and emotional problems. Why are the broken people leaving?
That was one hell of a cheap shot. I suffer from depression, and I don't need someone like you making fun of that.
I didn't even know you suffered from depression, I do know of other cases on this board.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote: I also find it interesting how many ex-mormons here have psychological and emotional problems. Why are the broken people leaving?
Because the church does not serve their need anymore. Also, when people find out something that they didn't know, they become disillusioned. Some even become depressed and broken. However, since the LDS church has not been proven false, it is a false depression or brokenness. Now if the church was proven false by a manucript being found in Joseph Smith's handwriting complete with rough draft notes, well, then I would understand the bitching and depression much more easily.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
The Nehor wrote:Yeah, I do. A few apostles and Institute Teachers and Seventies get together and decide whether to stamp 'LDS approved' on something. There are errors in them, mistakes, failings, stupid things, etc. You wouldn't believe the attention activity I was supposed to use in Gospel Doctrine last week (shudders).
Yeah, it was taught on the fringe like so many things. I bought it all when I was a kid. Then I learned to distinguish the hype that some people give stuff and avoid 'muddied water' to get to the pure sources of doctrine.
I will still ridicule adults who refuse to move onto an adult understanding of doctrine and instead focus on Seminary style hype. If that makes me a monster, then that is what I am.
Clearly, if people would just use an adult understanding of doctrine to recognize that apostles, institute teachers, seventies, and correlated lesson manuals are full of nonsense, they would come to realize how true it all is
