Mormon Expression Podcast #1 Available

[_Gazelam]

Kim,

My sister is a lesbian, but she's also deaf. She has never been able to hear, so it stands to reason that she doesn't speak well, either. My mom and I understand Cassie's speech, but I think we're the only two folks who can. That makes it rather difficult for her to participate in a podcast.

Oh, didn't know that.yeh that would make it difficult to participate in a podcast. Maybe you could transcribe her views into an email or a post here. Would be interesting to hear her opinion.

Plus, I'd never want her to be on a podcast where someone like you could call in to harass her or otherwise make the kind of disdainful comments you've made here in the past.

Johns podcast doesen't do phone-ins. Also I apologize for being so coarce and ugly before. My mouth can be bigger than my brain sometimes. ( As many here no doubt can attest)

[_why me]

This is exactly what you sound like, why me.

It would have be great if the first podcast had some balance. This podcast didn't. It first impressions that count and a well rounded table would have made an impression with the Mormon crowd. Many the men have connections with post or exer boards. And the title of the podcast was a clue into the mindset of the roundtable discussion.

[_why me]

Jesus H. Christ. For as long as I've participated on this board and read your posts, you've been trotting out this lame tripe. Poster after poster has explained to you the error in your "prove it false" assertion. You don't listen. You don't care to listen. You don't want to learn. You're only here to read your own words and think you're providing something useful to the conversation, which you most definitely are not. You're the pathetic one here, why me. If Shades didn't discourage us from telling other posters to take a hike, I'd most likely do so after every one of your posts. Poo-poo head.

Here is my point: those who leave the LDS church can not leave the church alone because the LDS church has not been conclusively to be proven false. Now if the LDS church were proven false by sound evidence (ie, a manucript with rough draft markings in Sidney's hand) the church would fall and be proven false. Now if that were to happen, people would go through a withdrawal sympton and then eventually fade into the sunset. But since the LDS church has not been proven false, people such as the guys on that podcase can not leave it alone.

If the LDS church was proven false conclusively without a question of doubt, the subject of these posts on this board would be much different than they are today. Likewise for the men on the podcast.

Most posts focus on instilling doubt in people's minds because the church has not been proven false. Likewise for the podcast.

[_why me]

The welcome mat has been rolled out, my friend. I have advertised on pro-LDS sites as well, with little response. But, point of fact, two of the 5 are active LDS.

I would think that the LDS posters are hedging their bets and waiting to see which way the wind blows on your podcasts. If they become church bashing and filled with doubting thomas' I would think that they would stay away just from principle. But I would hope that they would appear and talk about faith in an age of doubt and other topics without an inquisition.

The ball is in your court. You have your own postmo fan base to consider.

[_John Larsen]

Jesus H. Christ. For as long as I've participated on this board and read your posts, you've been trotting out this lame tripe. Poster after poster has explained to you the error in your "prove it false" assertion. You don't listen. You don't care to listen. You don't want to learn. You're only here to read your own words and think you're providing something useful to the conversation, which you most definitely are not. You're the pathetic one here, why me. If Shades didn't discourage us from telling other posters to take a hike, I'd most likely do so after every one of your posts. Poo-poo head.

Here is my point: those who leave the LDS church can not leave the church alone because the LDS church has not been conclusively to be proven false. Now if the LDS church were proven false by sound evidence (ie, a manucript with rough draft markings in Sidney's hand) the church would fall and be proven false. Now if that were to happen, people would go through a withdrawal sympton and then eventually fade into the sunset. But since the LDS church has not been proven false, people such as the guys on that podcase can not leave it alone.

If the LDS church was proven false conclusively without a question of doubt, the subject of these posts on this board would be much different than they are today. Likewise for the men on the podcast.

Most posts focus on instilling doubt in people's minds because the church has not been proven false. Likewise for the podcast.

Record that and I will play it at the beginning of next week. Or you can call 801-906-6722 and leave it in a message which I will put on the podcast. Don't be a baby, speak up! If you PM me and leave me a number, we will call you and record it for the show.

[_John Larsen]

The welcome mat has been rolled out, my friend. I have advertised on pro-LDS sites as well, with little response. But, point of fact, two of the 5 are active LDS.

I would think that the LDS posters are hedging their bets and waiting to see which way the wind blows on your podcasts. If they become church bashing and filled with doubting thomas' I would think that they would stay away just from principle. But I would hope that they would appear and talk about faith in an age of doubt and other topics without an inquisition.

The ball is in your court. You have your own postmo fan base to consider.

I think that there will always be a big LDS listener base. However, I think there are things about the Church and its culture that will make them not as willing to come on and express their views. This is a shame, because they end up seceding a lot of territory to the critics that they could otherwise control because they refuse to engage unless they can completely control the debate.

[_John Larsen]

I want to say one more thing. I think a balanced program doesn't mean that we split every question into two sides and deal with point and counter-point. I think that it sophomoric and fuels the warped idea that everything is black and white. With some topics it might work but with most it will not. Better is to have whole podcast deal with a particular viewpoint or position. So the invitation is open for all of the faithful and apologists out there, especially with something interesting to say. I will put you on and let you "do your thing". That doesn't mean I won't ask you a hard question, but I promise I will let you speak your peace.

[_consiglieri]

This is exactly what you sound like, why me.

It would have be great if the first podcast had some balance. This podcast didn't. It first impressions that count and a well rounded table would have made an impression with the Mormon crowd. Many the men have connections with post or exer boards. And the title of the podcast was a clue into the mindset of the roundtable discussion.

I think even if we note some things we didn't think were perfect about this premiere podcast, we should maybe cut John a little slack what with it being his first go and everything.

And if the subject is why Mormons leave the Church but can't leave it alone, it stands to reason you would be talking with Mormons who have left the Church but can't leave it alone.

As John mentioned, two of them are active members yet.

I noted that when things started getting a tad "slammy" on the Church (though not very much), John was there to be the voice of moderation.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Absolutist]

Here is my point: those who leave the LDS church can not leave the church alone because the LDS church has not been conclusively to be proven false. Now if the LDS church were proven false by sound evidence (ie, a manucript with rough draft markings in Sidney's hand) the church would fall and be proven false. Now if that were to happen, people would go through a withdrawal sympton and then eventually fade into the sunset. But since the LDS church has not been proven false, people such as the guys on that podcase can not leave it alone.

If the LDS church was proven false conclusively without a question of doubt, the subject of these posts on this board would be much different than they are today. Likewise for the men on the podcast.

Most posts focus on instilling doubt in people's minds because the church has not been proven false. Likewise for the podcast.

As one of the panelists on John's podcast I feel like I need to speak up to some of your complete nonsense. You, (why me) are incredibly judgmental of people you have neither spoken to or have given the chance to understand where we are coming from. As you can tell I'm not a frequent poster here, but you (why me) need to check yourself and maybe take a good long look into the mirror.

And to your constant phrase, "they cannot leave it alone because the church cannot be proven false". Is it possible that you can objectively think in the other direction? While I agree that the church cannot be "proven" false, the church cannot be "proven" true either. So where does that leave us? Well it leaves us in a quandary. Since all religion is primarily emotionally driven there is no possible way to prove with evidence that emotions have substance. If a person "feels" that his or her religion is true, there is no possible way to scientifically evaluate that outcome.

So while you continuely point out that the reason those that leave the church cannot leave it alone is because they can't prove the church false. You (why me) cannot "prove" it to be true either.

You (why me) are only stating your own personal opinion, that's it. Nothing more. Which is exactly what John and the rest of us are doing. You may not agree with someones opinion, but that is precisely why debate and discussion are so fruitful. So why don't you take John's challenge and come on with us and talk about it? I try to be open minded enough that if you have something to offer that can help me learn and grow, I am very willing to listen to what you have to say and I'm sure John and the others feel the same way.

[_Mike Reed]

To be frank, I doubt Why Me's participation in any podcast would be of much value. There are other believing Mormons who are much more reasonable, open minded, better read than Why Me. I'd recommend throwing out an invitation to Ben Spackman, not only because he is a smart and level headed fellow... but also because... from his standpoint, perhaps the show could give him a chance to advertise the new site that he works for: patheos.com

Other suggestions would be Kevin Barney, Mike Ash, and LifeonaPlate

And Kerry Shirts would be an absolute hoot.