Defenders, please show me real examples of "persecution"

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Re: Defenders, please show me real examples of "persecution"

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consiglieri wrote:There is just something threatening about the "other" moving into "our" community and taking up residence.


Totally. I find it hilarious how people find a sense of possession and entitlement when it comes to the "neighborhood/town/"country" compared to people who haven't been there as long. It doesn't matter if I arrived a week before you did, it might as well have been ten years when it comes to my "long ties" to the area compared to your claim of roots.

[I wonder if some of the worries about Mormonism for people who understand the origin claims is that the Book of Mormon story predates the colonization of America by mainstream Christianity beginning after 1492 since so much of American citizenship has been fused with Manifest Destiny/American exceptionalism ideas bolstered by religious fervor.]
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:The camp is protecting their clients. As xtians they fear that a Mormon there may attempt to recruit the child of one of their clients.

I know that most Mormon suck at recruiting. Hell look at the material they are given. However the xtians see Mormons as a Satanic threat, just like LDS member see other religions.

What would you say if the camp invited those of all denominations, but rejected your daughter because she was an atheist?

My guess is that you'd be up in arms about that, and rightfully so.

But, doesn't the same argument hold true about atheists as it does LDS? To the world, atheists want to recruit theists into their godless world and are seen as a threat.
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Scottie wrote:Consig, you have to consider the source.

PP has an anti-Mormon chip on his shoulder the size of Nebraska. Everything, it seems, is the LDS chuch's fault.

I don't think any rational person would blame you or your daughter for the incredible bigotry shown by these camp leaders.

Would you want the FLDS polygs to move into your town Scottie?

Xtians see the LDS cult as a threat and are simply protecting themselves and their clients from that threat.

What I am curious about is Consigs feelings about Mormonism now.

Consig, are you a TBM? Nom? closet exmo?
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I got made fun of as a kid for being Mormon, but I don't think that counts. Gays are way more persecuted than any Mormon.
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Futhermore, if this letter to Consig has the actual wording as he claimed, he could simply hand it over to LDS Inc and they would release their pack of rabid lawyers.

LDS PR would have a field day with this.
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Buffalo wrote:I got made fun of as a kid for being Mormon, but I don't think that counts. Gays are way more persecuted than any Mormon.

FLDS polygs are persecuted far far more than any mainstream Mormon.
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:Would you want the FLDS polygs to move into your town Scottie?

Xtians see the LDS cult as a threat and are simply protecting themselves and their clients from that threat.

What I am curious about is Consigs feelings about Mormonism now.

Consig, are you a TBM? Nom? closet exmo?

What does FLDS moving into my town have to do with denying an LDS member from attending a horse camp???

Surely you see the difference between the two scenarios.

And, why would I care if FLDS moved into my town??
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Scottie wrote:
Polygamy-Porter wrote:Would you want the FLDS polygs to move into your town Scottie?

Xtians see the LDS cult as a threat and are simply protecting themselves and their clients from that threat.

What I am curious about is Consigs feelings about Mormonism now.

Consig, are you a TBM? Nom? closet exmo?

What does FLDS moving into my town have to do with denying an LDS member from attending a horse camp???

Surely you see the difference between the two scenarios.

And, why would I care if FLDS moved into my town??



I already stated the obvious.

Xtians see the LDS cult as a threat and are simply protecting themselves and their clients from that threat.
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consiglieri wrote:
Polygamy-Porter wrote:So what do you think Scottie? Is LDS Inc discriminating and persecuting other religions by only hiring Mormons to work for them???



Can we change the scenario a bit?

I think no church administration is discriminating by hiring only members from their denomination.

But what if the LDS Church had a horse camp. (I think they do have a number of camps here and there.)

And what if they opened the camp to members of all denominations, and even those with no denomination, all of whom paid a fee to the camp/church for attending?

And what if they had a program for youth who had attended and learned the system to apply to be counsellors?

Now, under those circumstances, would it be discrimination for the LDS Church to reject an application from a young Baptist who wanted to be a counsellor at the horse camp solely because of their religious beliefs?

I think the answer would be yes.

I am interested in hearing what others think, though.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

P.S. It also occurs to me that there was nothing on the application itself limiting the ability to apply to members of a certain denomination or adherents to a certain set of beliefs.

And I want to make it clear that my daughter was not rejected because she didn't belong to the Free Methodist denomination. It was because she didn't have the "right" beliefs, although the letter did not specify what beliefs she held that disqualified her.


What you described and what you previously described is not discrimination.

What actually happened to your daughter is kind of sad because it has nothing to do with religion and religious practices, but a religion has the right to say who gets and who does not get awards from its organization.

Your refined example is even less problematic. A camp counselor in a religious camp should be expected to adhere to the religions' beliefs.

I started the informal process of seeking an advanced degree from Fuller Theological Institute. It required the recommendation of a pastor or priest. I asked if a Mormon bishop's recommendation would qualify, and was told "no," and further discouraged from applying because I was a Mormon. I don't consider that discrimination. Fuller has the right to call its own shots.

BYU hires non-members for its faculty. But, it doesn't have to do so and could choose not to do so and no court in the land would hold it guilty of discrimination.
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:
Buffalo wrote:I got made fun of as a kid for being Mormon, but I don't think that counts. Gays are way more persecuted than any Mormon.

FLDS polygs are persecuted far far more than any mainstream Mormon.


That's true.
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