How did Moroni transport the plates from Mesoamerica to NY?

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Re: How did Moroni transport the plates from Mesoamerica to NY?

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Simon Belmont wrote:
truth dancer wrote:Um, let's be real for a sec.

There were no gold plates to transport to Cumorah.

There is NO evidence of gold during Book of Mormon times in the Book of Mormon Mesoamerica location.

None.

Ask any reputable, knowledgeable, and honest apologist and he/she will confirm that there was no gold (in that time and location), out of which to make plates.

Just keeping it real! ;-)


~td~


Plates had the appearance of gold. No one ever said they were gold.

Just keeping it real.


The Book of Mormon mentions Gold many times, which is hugely anachronistic.

Just keeping it real. :)
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Re: How did Moroni transport the plates from Mesoamerica to NY?

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Simon Belmont wrote:
Plates had the appearance of gold. No one ever said they were gold.

Just keeping it real.


Joseph Smith said they were gold. So does the LDS Church.

from http://LDS.org/study/topics/gold-plates?lang=eng&query=gold+plates

Gold Plates

Plates made of gold upon which the ancient American prophet Mormon abridged the record of his people. Joseph Smith translated the writings on the gold plates into what became the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.
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Re: How did Moroni transport the plates from Mesoamerica to NY?

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Didn't some folks in New York behold the other plates and Laban's Sword buried under the hill?
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Re: How did Moroni transport the plates from Mesoamerica to NY?

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Morley wrote:
Simon Belmont wrote:
Plates had the appearance of gold. No one ever said they were gold.

Just keeping it real.


Joseph Smith said they were gold. So does the LDS Church.

from http://LDS.org/study/topics/gold-plates?lang=eng&query=gold+plates

Gold Plates

Plates made of gold upon which the ancient American prophet Mormon abridged the record of his people. Joseph Smith translated the writings on the gold plates into what became the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.


Published by the church = official doctrine.

There you have it, bcspace. It's official doctrine that the plates were gold. Not a gold alloy or something else.
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Re: How did Moroni transport the plates from Mesoamerica to NY?

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Simon Belmont wrote:Plates had the appearance of gold. No one ever said they were gold.

Hmmmmmmm....last time I checked, GOLD has the appearance of gold.
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Re: How did Moroni transport the plates from Mesoamerica to NY?

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moksha wrote:Didn't some folks in New York behold the other plates and Laban's Sword buried under the hill?


If by "folks in New York" you mean Joseph Smith and several of his co-conspirators, then yes.

http://www.brighamyoungacademy.org/Book of Mormon/hill_cumorah.php

That's why the dimensional portal theory shows up occasionally, because the plates were buried in a cave containing "many wagon loads" of plates and other artifacts, including the Sword of Laban. Obviously such a cave does not exist in Palmyra in any physical sense, and to think that Moroni led a wagon train hauling all that gold from Mesoamerica is just unrealistic.

Hence, dimensional portal.
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Re: How did Moroni transport the plates from Mesoamerica to NY?

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Sophocles wrote:That's why the dimensional portal theory shows up occasionally, because the plates were buried in a cave containing "many wagon loads" of plates and other artifacts, including the Sword of Laban. Obviously such a cave does not exist in Palmyra in any physical sense, and to think that Moroni led a wagon train hauling all that gold from Mesoamerica is just unrealistic.

Hence, dimensional portal.



I just have to laugh every time I here that phrase in context of the plates. Can you imagine one of the 12 at some General Conference talking about the dimensional portal hidden at Hill Cumorah in New York.
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Re: How did Moroni transport the plates from Mesoamerica to NY?

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LDS truthseeker wrote:
Sophocles wrote:That's why the dimensional portal theory shows up occasionally, because the plates were buried in a cave containing "many wagon loads" of plates and other artifacts, including the Sword of Laban. Obviously such a cave does not exist in Palmyra in any physical sense, and to think that Moroni led a wagon train hauling all that gold from Mesoamerica is just unrealistic.

Hence, dimensional portal.



I just have to laugh every time I here that phrase in context of the plates. Can you imagine one of the 12 at some General Conference talking about the dimensional portal hidden at Hill Cumorah in New York.


Maybe the treasure guardian sinks it deeper into the earth anytime someone goes looking for it.
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Re: How did Moroni transport the plates from Mesoamerica to NY?

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Hello,

I would like Mr. BCSpace & Mr. Simon to explain the LDS church's official doctrine that the gold plates were/are gold.

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Re: How did Moroni transport the plates from Mesoamerica to NY?

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Morley wrote:Joseph Smith said they were gold. So does the LDS Church.

from http://LDS.org/study/topics/gold-plates?lang=eng&query=gold+plates

Gold Plates

Plates made of gold upon which the ancient American prophet Mormon abridged the record of his people. Joseph Smith translated the writings on the gold plates into what became the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.


Ouch!! That adds about 100 lbs. to the myth.

But more importantly, the church doesn't have to alter the Golden Plates primary song. "The golden appearing plates lay hidden, deep in a mountain side...." or "The tumbaga plates lay hidden, deep in a mountain side...." just doesn't flow as well.
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