Why aren't we designed better if there is an ID?

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Re: Why aren't we designed better if there is an ID?

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just me wrote:No, I was going to bring up menstruation, too.

In fact, if women are supposed to be able to have babies in the afterlife but there is no blood or corruption how is that even possible? How will a man be able to impregnate his wife without blood...

Can we eat and deficate in the afterlife? If not, why will we be resurrected with our teeth and our internal digestive system?

What about skin? As long as humans have skin they will be destructible.

I'm not saying I know anything about it, but isn't it possible, assuming there is a resurrection (I realize some of you don't believe in it), that we wouldn't even have "insides" like we have now? Everything would be entirely redesigned. We would just look like humans do in form, but not have kidneys or a liver or an appendix, etc.

Kind of like one of those fiberglass body classic cars (like my uncle has) with all new modern parts inside it? It looks like a Model A (or whatever it is) but it's really totally modern. Modern engine. Modern brakes. Air conditioning. Stereo. The works.

Just an idea.
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Mattie wrote:I'm not saying I know anything about it, but isn't it possible, assuming there is a resurrection (I realize some of you don't believe in it), that we wouldn't even have "insides" like we have now? Everything would be entirely redesigned. We would just look like humans do in form, but not have kidneys or a liver or an appendix, etc.

Kind of like one of those fiberglass body classic cars (like my uncle has) with all new modern parts inside it? It looks like a Model A (or whatever it is) but it's really totally modern. Modern engine. Modern brakes. Air conditioning. Stereo. The works.

Just an idea.


I'm curious why you might think we would need bodies at all. Some traditional Christians believe that the afterlife is inhabited by souls only.

Bodies are such messy things. All gooey on the inside and sweaty and smelly on the outside. I think we are better off without them.
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Buffalo wrote:I'm not sure this argument gets you anywhere. God could just as easily have created us perfectly from nothing as from pre-existing elements.


not really. He was limited, on my view, to the structure laid out previously. How does one, on my view, go from intelligences to exalted being? There is only one way. You are trying to say there are multiple ways, it seems. That's not my view.
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If you believe in God and believe He is perfect with an ability to create perfection ans is all powerful and all knowing then you have to accept one of two things about God in relation to this World.

1. He chooses not to interfere (or picks and chooses when to interfere)
Or
2. He cannot interfere

'religion' is the way humans try to articulate Gods rationale for allowing imperfection.
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Mattie wrote:
just me wrote:No, I was going to bring up menstruation, too.

In fact, if women are supposed to be able to have babies in the afterlife but there is no blood or corruption how is that even possible? How will a man be able to impregnate his wife without blood...

Can we eat and deficate in the afterlife? If not, why will we be resurrected with our teeth and our internal digestive system?

What about skin? As long as humans have skin they will be destructible.

I'm not saying I know anything about it, but isn't it possible, assuming there is a resurrection (I realize some of you don't believe in it), that we wouldn't even have "insides" like we have now? Everything would be entirely redesigned. We would just look like humans do in form, but not have kidneys or a liver or an appendix, etc.

Kind of like one of those fiberglass body classic cars (like my uncle has) with all new modern parts inside it? It looks like a Model A (or whatever it is) but it's really totally modern. Modern engine. Modern brakes. Air conditioning. Stereo. The works.

Just an idea.


I guess anything is possible. However, this just takes me back to my argument that we are designed poorly. If God could do better, why didn't he? Some of the ill design is visible in our exterior. For example, we have more teeth than our mouth can really hold nicely. If we are resurrected with our wisdom teeth it makes it even worse.

Part of our destructibility is our skin. If our skin is so delicate how is that going to be changed by the resurrection?

It also brings us back to Adam and Eve. If they were immortal prior to partaking of the Fruit does that mean that their entire DNA and internal/external bodies were radically changed? Did they have a surgery to make the changes, did God use magic, did the Fruit cause mass mutation that they were able to survive, etc?

I don't expect you to have any answers. These are just the things that I question.
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stemelbow wrote:
just me wrote:How will our bodies be different "in the end?"


Our mortal bodies are corruptible. Our immortal bodies will not be corruptible. They won't pass away, fade away, wear down...none of that. Our brains won't be subject to the difficultes of being throw around in high speed cars. They won't be able to be damaged.


There is no possible way for our bodies to become indestructible in their current form. Do you have any ideas of how that could be possible?
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just me wrote:I was wondering last night why human bodies are designed so poorly if there is an Intellegent Designer behind it all.


If everything were designed without any imperfection and everything worked at optimal function/level without any mishap or room for error/fault, where would there be any room for what appear to be random trials and unfortunate circumstances in which hard choices have to be made and/or lived with? If indeed we as a human race are in a created sphere of operation and testing where opposition in all things is the norm, then why would we expect the human body to be designed perfectly without any warts at all?

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mentalgymnast wrote:
just me wrote:I was wondering last night why human bodies are designed so poorly if there is an Intellegent Designer behind it all.


If everything were designed without any imperfection and everything worked at optimal function/level without any mishap or room for error/fault, where would there be any room for what appear to be random trials and unfortunate circumstances in which hard choices have to be made and/or lived with? If indeed we as a human race are in a created sphere of operation and testing where opposition in all things is the norm, then why would we expect the human body to be designed perfectly without any warts at all?

Regards,
MG

So god designed us poorly on purpose? He didn't think the rigors of everyday living were enough? Selfish people, deadly animals, random accidents, natural disasters, etc... and he had to add a poorly designed body to the mix?

It's amazing how this "loving" god so many people believe in totally digs pouring on the pain. What a guy! Apparently, it's the sadists who are most loving in the world, because in god's eyes, sadism is what love is all about.
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Some Schmo wrote:So god designed us poorly on purpose?


No. He designed us with possibilities for imperfection and less than optimal functions for the reasons I mentioned. That's not the same as designing us poorly.

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Some Schmo wrote:So god designed us poorly on purpose?


No. He designed us with possibilities for imperfection and less than optimal functions for the reasons I mentioned. That's not the same as designing us poorly.

Regards,
MG

If I sold you a new car and the front axle broke soon after you drove off the lot because it was rubbing up against an outcropping in the bottom of the chassis, would you consider that poor design or a possibility for imperfection and less than optimal functionality? I'm sure you'd take my word for it if I explained it that way and told you that I was just trying to help you grow as a person, right?
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