Christofferson's talk on doctrine

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Re: Christofferson's talk on doctrine

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Hi, BCspace, I still haven't seen you address my criticism. The sources you always bring up use the form 'Y is found in X'. Yet, you claim that something of the form 'Everything in X is Y' is true.
The latter form does not follow from the former.

Will you please address how you arrive at the latter from sources that state or imply the former? Again, using official material please present premises from which the conclusion is something of the form 'Everything in X is Y'. Go!


Hi Brade. There is nothing to address because it's an error in correlation. I have not proposed that everything in a picture of TSM is TSM. Besides being an error in correlation, you also have a logical problem in that your example supposes that there is only one doctrinal subject. A more appropriate and correlative example is that the Church is saying everything in the picture is in the picture.
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Re: Christofferson's talk on doctrine

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The text has been here for the last couple of days:

http://www.LDS.org/general-conference/print/2012/04/the-doctrine-of-christ?lang=eng

Read it and weep. Everything I've said about it is true.
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Re: Christofferson's talk on doctrine

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My Conference Talk:

I swear, on my mothers grave, that joseph smith is a prophet of god. and he saw Jesus and elohim face to face in the sacred grove all those many years ago.



Ensign Publication:

I swear, on my mothers grave that joseph smith is, a prophet of god! and he saw Jesus and elohim, face to face in the sacred grove, all those many years ago!
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Re: Christofferson's talk on doctrine

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bcspace wrote:
Hi, BCspace, I still haven't seen you address my criticism. The sources you always bring up use the form 'Y is found in X'. Yet, you claim that something of the form 'Everything in X is Y' is true.
The latter form does not follow from the former.

Will you please address how you arrive at the latter from sources that state or imply the former? Again, using official material please present premises from which the conclusion is something of the form 'Everything in X is Y'. Go!


Hi Brade. There is nothing to address because it's an error in correlation. I have not proposed that everything in a picture of TSM is TSM. Besides being an error in correlation, you also have a logical problem in that your example supposes that there is only one doctrinal subject. A more appropriate and correlative example is that the Church is saying everything in the picture is in the picture.


The only way I can respond to such a powerfully sensical paragraph is with one equally as sensical.

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Re: Christofferson's talk on doctrine

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My brain just cried mercy then died.
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Re: Christofferson's talk on doctrine

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The only way I can respond to such a powerfully sensical paragraph is with one equally as sensical.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?


I think it better to stick with the more sensical statement "Everything in the picture is in the picture" and not assume that everyone will read all your post and none of mine.
:lol:
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Re: Christofferson's talk on doctrine

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I like bcspace. Really. I am serious. He has the balls.
(This should be at bcspace appreciation thread.)


I don't agree with him sometimes (many times, most of the times, always - take Your pick), but my admiration never decreases.

Here is another pearl of great price from him:

bcspace wrote: When BKP says something crazy in Conference, it gets corrected in print.


See D. H. Oaks: "You can't stage manage a grizzly bear" (Sunstone, Dec 1993, p68)
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- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Re: Christofferson's talk on doctrine

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Here is another pearl of great price from him:

bcspace wrote:
When BKP says something crazy in Conference, it gets corrected in print.


Of course you know I only said that for your amusement. I didn't find what he said to be crazy at all and doctrinally, neither did the Church. They merely wanted to present a different face.
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Re: Christofferson's talk on doctrine

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I wrote:Here is another pearl of great price from him:
bcspace wrote:
When BKP says something crazy in Conference, it gets corrected in print.
bcspace wrote:Of course you know I only said that for your amusement. I didn't find what he said to be crazy at all and doctrinally, neither did the Church. They merely wanted to present a different face.

Of course I know.

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Of course BKP didn't ever said nothing crazy which was not corrected never yet. (Isn't that clear enough, is it?)
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Re: Christofferson's talk on doctrine

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bcspace wrote:When BKP says something crazy in Conference, it gets corrected in print.

So bcspace, the Official Video on the Official Website is not "published" (and therefore not doctrine) but the Official Text on the Official Website is doctrine?

You're limiting "published" to text and not to video?
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