Seven Deadly Heresies Speech Is Now Doctrine

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bcspace wrote:
Space, plz reply.


Sweet! BRM actually said in that speech it's okay to harmonize doctrine with evolution if you can find a way to do it. His opinion was that it could not be done (so the doctrine would be it's BRM's opinion it can't be done).

But notice Runtu hasn't really quoted me. He actually inserted his own conclusions making it look like something I said. Notice also he hasn't provided a reference show that the article in full or in part has been published by the Church so there really isn't anything to comment on.


"There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish."
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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I'm sure teachers have printed the PDF version of this talk from the website, with the Intellectual Reserve copyright at the bottom, and used it as a lesson. BC Space would crumple it up, toss it in the garbage and proclaim, "Sorry, not doctrine." I'm sure everyone in the classroom will agree with him.
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BC: Please explain how "© Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved" isn't published by the LDS Church.


Doesn't say "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints".

McConkie’s Mormon Doctrine was published by Bookcraft for about a decade, while Bookcraft was owned by the LDS Church. Was it doctrine?


No. Not published by the Church. The Church itself was interested in publishing such a compendium but when "Mormon Doctrine" couldn't pass muster after several revisions, they wouldn't put the Church's stamp of approval on it. Just because something is owned by the Church doesn't mean they exercise full editorial control over it.
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bcspace wrote:
BC: Please explain how "© Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved" isn't published by the LDS Church.


Doesn't say "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints".



:lol:

Oh dear...
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bcspace wrote:
anonymized by bcspace wrote:BC: Please explain how "© Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved" isn't published by the LDS Church.
Doesn't say "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"


bottom of LDS.org says "© 2012 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved."

http://www.LDS.org/?lang=eng

so nothing on the website is Official Church Doctrine?

but the bottom of BYU.edu says "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Copyright© 2012, All Rights Reserved"

http://home.BYU.edu/home/

so everything on the BYU website is Official Church Doctrine, including the Devotional Speeches http://speeches.BYU.edu/

Does that include the class schedules too?

Edited to add BYU portion.
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How can I solve this conundrum and save face?

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AH HA! It doesn't say "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"
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lulu wrote:
bcspace wrote:Doesn't say "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"


bottom of LDS.org © 2012 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

http://www.LDS.org/?lang=eng

so nothing on the website is Official Church Doctrine?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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bcspace wrote:
BC: Please explain how "© Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved" isn't published by the LDS Church.


Doesn't say "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints".


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bcspace wrote:Doesn't say "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints".


Nothing the church publishes has a "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" [sic]
copyright. Nor does anything that the church publishes carry a copyright using the correct name of the church. All church materials are copyrighted IRI. That copyright means it has gone through a Correlation review and been approved. Anything BYU publishes that is unofficial will not carry an IRI copyright. For example, here is the copyright notice for BYU Magazine:

COPYRIGHT 2010 BY BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY


That you don't understand the significance of an IRI copyright further establishes that, unlike J Green and me, you have not had any formal training in matters of church publications and policies regarding official doctrine.

No. Not published by the Church. The Church itself was interested in publishing such a compendium but when "Mormon Doctrine" couldn't pass muster after several revisions, they wouldn't put the Church's stamp of approval on it. Just because something is owned by the Church doesn't mean they exercise full editorial control over it.


ROFL. While the church may not put its stamp of approval on Deseret Book and, previously, Bookcraft publications, they do exercise full editorial control. Heck, they even insisted on full editorial control of the Encyclopedia of Mormonism, which wasn't even published by DB.
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That you don't understand the significance of an IRI copyright further establishes that, unlike J Green and me, you have not had any formal training in matters of church publications and policies regarding official doctrine.


A good parallel is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihil_obstat
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