Science is a tool that can be abused!

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Re: Science is a tool that can be abused!

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littleNipper wrote:The one trying to force feed cake is YOU. If everything looked the same YOU would say that is because there is a common ancestry. If there exists broad variation, YOU would say that is proof of evolution and a common ancestry... :wink:

You do not understand nested hierarchies. Once features arise in a line of descent they remain for all of the branches. That need not be the case for special creation. So you are wrong to say that evolution depends upon an argument you are trying to use to support creationism. Not going to address the evidence that disproves creationism are you? Thought not. You don't have any response.

Yes, I have mutations to my DNA and so do you; however, that doesn't make you any more human than a mentally slow individual ---- Not now and not in 10,000 years. Sorry, I know GOD exists and that you exist by way of His creation and not through happenstance.

As you have asserted before and fail once again to provide any evidence.

You have not proven GOD doesn't exist.

This is not about whether god exists and your repeated argument from ignorance fallacy. It is about whether life shows common ancestry which it does. Proof is in the ERVs.

You have not proven that Jesus is not a historical character.

That would be because it is a different topic from whether life shows common ancestry and is irrelevant to it.

You have not been able to create biological life of any sort from dirt.

Which is evidence it can't be done? Good, no god then. But Venter has created the central portion of the cell from scratch and it came to life. They are working now on creating a cell membrane from scratch.

There is absolute proof of the uniqueness of everything in creation

Keep denying the existence of those endogenous retroviruses LittleNipper. Just like the flat earthers deny the existence of photographs from space. The rest of us will wink and smile.

which indicates an Omnipotent GOD who values a one on one personal relationship with each and every creature in His creation and doesn't just stamp out generic plastic soldiers.

Well he doesn't stamp out unique ones either. He stamps out related ones with common ancestors if he does anything at all.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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spotlight wrote:But Venter has created the central portion of the cell from scratch and it came to life. They are working now on creating a cell membrane from scratch.


Finally they developed a technique of stripping bacteria cells of all original DNA and substituting it with the new artificial code. They are not creating they are tampering with something already existing.
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LittleNipper wrote:Finally they developed a technique of stripping bacteria cells of all original DNA and substituting it with the new artificial code. They are not creating they are tampering with something already existing.

No they are creating a new genome that never existed before, not simply altering an existing genome.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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spotlight wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Finally they developed a technique of stripping bacteria cells of all original DNA and substituting it with the new artificial code. They are not creating they are tampering with something already existing.

No they are creating a new genome that never existed before, not simply altering an existing genome.
They have not created life. They are altering what is already alive. Only God can create life.
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LittleNipper wrote:God created everything. Genesis 1–2 0
Adam became the father of Seth at 130. Genesis 5:3 0 + 130 = 130
Seth became the father of Enosh at 105. Genesis 5:6 130 + 105 = 235
Enosh became the father of Kenan at 90. Genesis 5:9 235 + 90 = 325
Cainan became the father of Mahalalel at 70. Genesis 5:12 325 + 70 = 395
Mahalalel became the father of Jared at 65. Genesis 5:15 395 + 65 = 460
Jared became the father of Enoch at 162. Genesis 5:18 460 + 162 = 622
Enoch became the father of Methuselah at 65. Genesis 5:21 622 + 65 = 687
Methuselah became the father of Lamech at 187. Genesis 5:25 687 + 187 = 874
Lamech became the father of Noah at 182. Genesis 5:28 874 + 182 = 1056
The Flood started when Noah was 600. Genesis 7:6 1056 + 600 = 1656

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Calculated BC date for creation: 4004
Calculated AM date for the Flood: - 1656
Calculated BC date for the Flood: 2348
Current Year (minus one2): + 2011
Number of years since beginning of Flood: 4359



LittleNipper -

Your initial answer to this question was, 'approximately 10,000' years.

The chronology above points to an Earth of just over 6,000 years of age.

Which do you believe?
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LittleNipper wrote:Finally they developed a technique of stripping bacteria cells of all original DNA and substituting it with the new artificial code. They are not creating they are tampering with something already existing.

spotlight wrote:No they are creating a new genome that never existed before, not simply altering an existing genome

LittleNipper wrote:They have not created life. They are altering what is already alive. Only God can create life.

Does a cell have a soul or a spirit LittleNipper? What is your definition of being alive?
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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LittleNipper wrote:...
Current Year (minus one2): + 2011
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Please, LittleNipper...

Learn to use at least the muzzy cutandpaste function!

- 1 -
That dreck you quoted comes from https://answersingenesis.org/bible-time ... the-flood/ garbage. When and if you quote anything, the basic modesty dictates to show the source.

- 2 -
Current year is 2016, not 2011. Capisco? Do you read the quoted text before pushing the ~submit~ ?

- 3 -
What does "minus one2" mean? Do you know?
It means a reference to the ~2~ (FYI second...) footnote!
Do you read the quoted text before pushing the ~submit~ ?

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I don't think you do...
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spotlight wrote:Does a cell have a soul or a spirit LittleNipper? What is your definition of being alive?

Good question! In previous posts LittleNipper has stoutly maintained that only human beings have souls and no other life forms (including dogs and cats for examples) have them. If death of a human being is defined as the departure of the soul from the body, as LittleNipper obviously believes, what is it that makes the essential difference between a live dog and a dead dog, or, for that matter, a live paramecium and a dead one?

If dogs and cats and other living organisms can be alive without having souls, as LittleNipper obviously believes, it is irrational and inconsistent to insist that Humans necessarily also have souls. On the other hand, if we humans need a soul in order to be alive, it is irrational and inconsistent to insist that no other living organisms have souls. Either the possession of a soul is what defines life for all living organisms, or it defines life for none of them.
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Gunnar wrote:
spotlight wrote:Does a cell have a soul or a spirit LittleNipper? What is your definition of being alive?

Good question! In previous posts LittleNipper has stoutly maintained that only human beings have souls and no other life forms (including dogs and cats for examples) have them. If death of a human being is defined as the departure of the soul from the body, as LittleNipper obviously believes, what is it that makes the essential difference between a live dog and a dead dog, or, for that matter, a live paramecium and a dead one?

If dogs and cats and other living organisms can be alive without having souls, as LittleNipper obviously believes, it is irrational and inconsistent to insist that Humans necessarily also have souls. On the other hand, if we humans need a soul in order to be alive, it is irrational and inconsistent to insist that no other living organisms have souls. Either the possession of a soul is what defines life for all living organisms, or it defines life for none of them.


1 Corinthians 15 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
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Re: Science is a tool that can be abused!

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canpakes wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:God created everything. Genesis 1–2 0
Adam became the father of Seth at 130. Genesis 5:3 0 + 130 = 130
Seth became the father of Enosh at 105. Genesis 5:6 130 + 105 = 235
Enosh became the father of Kenan at 90. Genesis 5:9 235 + 90 = 325
Cainan became the father of Mahalalel at 70. Genesis 5:12 325 + 70 = 395
Mahalalel became the father of Jared at 65. Genesis 5:15 395 + 65 = 460
Jared became the father of Enoch at 162. Genesis 5:18 460 + 162 = 622
Enoch became the father of Methuselah at 65. Genesis 5:21 622 + 65 = 687
Methuselah became the father of Lamech at 187. Genesis 5:25 687 + 187 = 874
Lamech became the father of Noah at 182. Genesis 5:28 874 + 182 = 1056
The Flood started when Noah was 600. Genesis 7:6 1056 + 600 = 1656

...

Calculated BC date for creation: 4004
Calculated AM date for the Flood: - 1656
Calculated BC date for the Flood: 2348
Current Year (minus one2): + 2011
Number of years since beginning of Flood: 4359



LittleNipper -

Your initial answer to this question was, 'approximately 10,000' years.

The chronology above points to an Earth of just over 6,000 years of age.

Which do you believe?

10,000 years was the most I could imagine it to be.
I believe approx. 6000 years is the best Biblical fit. I see no creation based reason that it needs to be greater. Evolutionists and uniformitarians need the excuse of time to fill their theories. I imagine that time is a creation of GOD for our benefit. Before creation there existed only GOD. Someday, I think I will ask the Messiah that one ---- unless He will somehow give access to His vast store of knowledge.
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