Trump Bails out Farmers: $12 billion because of Trade War

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Re: Trump Bails out Farmers: $12 billion because of Trade Washington

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subgenius wrote:A billion to PR? for what exactly? You made such a noise when one of the few qualified businesses got a contract to help and therefore tweeted the solution into being a problem.


You mean those Whitefish guys?

Whitefish’s contract expired Thursday after accusations of overcharging contributed to the resignation of the power company director.


One of the few qualified businesses that existed? A company that had two employees at the time that the hurricane hit the island?

Lol.

The awarding of the contract was unusual in several respects. The contract stipulated that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) approved its terms, but FEMA categorically denied any involvement with the contract. Moreover, when questioned about the stipulation, PREPA executive director Ricardo Ramos said that, "There [was] no other explanation for that other than an 'oops.'" Furthermore, FEMA expressed that it had "significant concerns over how PREPA procured this contract" and that the agency had not confirmed "whether the contract prices [were] reasonable" because the contract was given without the competitive bidding process typically associated with federal contracts. The no bidding contracting, however, was performed lawfully under Puerto Rican law, as Puerto Rico governor Ricardo Rossello had proclaimed an executive order beforehand that left without effect all the processes established by law or by regulation to contract private entities, using as an argument for its decree a previously lawfully declared state of emergency.

Another point of contention regarding the contract was its wording. Specifically, a clause in the contract prevents the government from auditing or reviewing its labor cost and profit elements. According to NPR, such elements would likely be the core interest of any auditor.

A third reason for labeling the contract as unusual was that PREPA chose Whitefish rather than using their mutual aid agreements with mainland utilities. But Ramos explained that Whitefish did not require a $25 million tender as the other bidder did. PREPA’s emergency fund had only $100 million, which Ramos feared would be quickly exhausted if he hired another public utility to assist with repairs. Furthermore, PREPA's mutual aid agreements required the utility company to undertake the logistics of housing workers and transporting materials to the island, while Whitefish's contract did not.

When asked to comment, the American Public Power Association (APPA) said that PREPA didn't respond to mutual aid offers[failed verification] and that the utility company "had already contracted with Whitefish Energy by the time [APPA] convened a conference call to coordinate aid."

Whitefish's size also drew attention. Before being awarded PREPA's contract, Whitefish's largest contract was a $1.3 million electrical upgrade in Arizona. In addition, Whitefish, as a holding company, only had two employees when the hurricane struck. Moreover, their primary investor, HBC Investments, was founded by Joe Colonnetta, a "prominent donor" of incumbent U.S. President Donald Trump during his 2016 presidential campaign. Whitefish CEO Andy Techmanski and United States Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke also know each other, as both hail from Whitefish, Montana. Techmanski also admitted that he had been in touch with Zinke in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria to try to free up more resources since getting crews and equipment to Puerto Rico had been difficult. Additionally, one of Zinke's son also worked at one of Techmanski's construction sites in the past. Well-known Fortune 500 global engineering firm Fluor Corporation also received a rebuild contract; the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers contract was for $240M, $60M less than tiny Whitefish's contract.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitefish_Energy

I'm not thinking that Kevin Graham and Twitter were Whitefish's biggest problems.
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Re: Trump Bails out Farmers: $12 billion because of Trade Washington

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So what if China sells us more than we sell them?


It just seems like if we don't produce anything of value or just spend and spend, eventually wouldn't they own us?

And ultimately, countries don't trade with each other. It's the people in the countries that trade with each other


Is that still true even if China is a communist country?

In short, countries that restrict trade, or make traded goods more expensive, are poorer than countries with freer trade. Their people pay more for fewer choices (i.e. less freedom).


Your points make sense. I just don't think traditional conservative views on trade like that of Ted Cruz would have broken the blue wall and won the presidential election.
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Re: Trump Bails out Farmers: $12 billion because of Trade Washington

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The EU delegation reportedly used simple, colorful flashcards to explain to and persuade Trump on trade:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-t ... rds-2018-7

Maybe we can find those cards for Ajax?
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Re: Trump Bails out Farmers: $12 billion because of Trade Washington

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EAllusion wrote:The EU delegation reportedly used simple, colorful flashcards to explain to and persuade Trump on trade:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-t ... rds-2018-7

Maybe we can find those cards for Ajax?


Oh. My. Goodness.

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker reportedly used colorful cue cards to explain issues of global-trade policy to President Donald Trump during their meeting earlier this week.

According to a report from the Wall Street Journal on Thursday evening, Juncker and his team used the cards to simplify complex issues for the president as a means of getting their points across as effectively as possible.

The Journal's report says Juncker "flipped through" more than a dozen cards, which had minimal information on them, and all focused on a single issue. These included the automotive trade, and regulatory standards for medicines, the report added, saying that there were a maximum of three figures per card.

"We knew this wasn’t an academic seminar," a senior EU official who was at the meeting told the Wall Street Journal. "It had to be very simple."

...


The EU's use of flash cards is not without precedent. Trump is well-known for his distaste for lengthy documents, and is said to prefer single-page memos when deciding on policy.

In May 2017, a report from Reuters said that Trump likes "single-page memos and visual aids like maps, charts, graphs and photos." A source quoted by Reuters said aides also strategically put Trump's name into "as many paragraphs as we can because he keeps reading if he’s mentioned."


We mustn't be worried about a President and commander-in-chief of the world's most powerful military who has to be addressed simply, using bright colours and lots of pictures, like a kid in kindergarten. And to keep his attention: "Look, there's a D - O - N - ... what's the next letter?? C'mon now ..."

Because really he is a very stable genius.
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Re: Trump Bails out Farmers: $12 billion because of Trade Washington

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EAllusion wrote:The EU delegation reportedly used simple, colorful flashcards to explain to and persuade Trump on trade:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-t ... rds-2018-7

Maybe we can find those cards for Ajax?
https://www.amazon.com/slp/economics-for-kids/gbdxaydmhnqg855
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Re: Trump Bails out Farmers: $12 billion because of Trade Washington

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EAllusion wrote:The EU delegation reportedly used simple, colorful flashcards to explain to and persuade Trump on trade:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-t ... rds-2018-7

Maybe we can find those cards for Ajax?


Oh.

My.

God.

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Re: Trump Bails out Farmers: $12 billion because of Trade Washington

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canpakes wrote:
I'm not thinking that Kevin Graham and Twitter were Whitefish's biggest problems.

you could have stopped at "...not thinking." because you're wholly ignorant on this issue.

"The other contender: Power Secure wanted $25 million upfront to do the job.

But Techmanski wasn't asking PREPA for a down payment. Plus, the Whitefish CEO was agreeing to take care of the logistics -- lodging and food for the hundreds of journey linemen needed to restore power, according to Ramos.

After the hurricane hit, the state-owned utility could have requested aid through the American Public Power Association, a network that provides help to other utilities during widespread power outages.

But the closest states to Puerto Rico were already dealing with their own rebuilding efforts after hurricanes Harvey and Irma, Ramos told HLN on Thursday. And he believed they would not be able to respond quickly to the island's needs."


https://money.cnn.com/2017/10/27/news/e ... index.html
http://www.leadertelegram.com/News/Dail ... power.html

nevertheless, the point, and reality, is that the hair-fire insisted that the firemen leave the fire....or maybe better to say, people like KG would rather pay nobody than overpay to have help.

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Re: Trump Bails out Farmers: $12 billion because of Trade Washington

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subgenius wrote:
canpakes wrote:
I'm not thinking that Kevin Graham and Twitter were Whitefish's biggest problems.

you could have stopped at "...not thinking." because you're wholly ignorant on this issue.

[i]"The other contender: Power Secure wanted $25 million upfront to do the job...”

That was a whole lot of babbling and yet another distraction tossed in, to end up basically at the same place: Whitefish had legit issues including the overcharging that you admit to, along with highly irregular contract issues that rendered it unfit for the task.

Looks like that was the conclusion of the folks that mattered, in the end.
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EAllusion wrote:The EU delegation reportedly used simple, colorful flashcards to explain to and persuade Trump on trade:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-t ... rds-2018-7

Maybe we can find those cards for Ajax?


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Re: Trump Bails out Farmers: $12 billion because of Trade Washington

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ajax18 wrote:It just seems like if we don't produce anything of value or just spend and spend, eventually wouldn't they own us?


If we're not producing anything of value, then who cares who "owns" us? I don't have a problem with foreign investment in the US. Having investors wanting to put money into our industries seems like a very good thing, regardless of where they live.

Is that still true even if China is a communist country?


I don't think China being communist changes the benefit to the citizens of the USA of doing as much trade with them as possible.

Your points make sense. I just don't think traditional conservative views on trade like that of Ted Cruz would have broken the blue wall and won the presidential election.


It's hard to stick to principles in the face of specific industries and people feeling pain. Heck, I'm all for a "free market" until it comes to my own industry, where I wish there was as little competition with my business as possible. If I could be a monopoly and somehow drive up prices for my services, I totally would.
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