Nike

[_EAllusion]

The Deadspin article you quoted is Drew Magary, a pretty hilarious dude, merely saying he wants to root against Tebow because he's obnoxious in a jokey way. At no point does he tell him to stop "taking a knee."

(His prayers were answered.)

And that's you working on finding an example Doc and coming up with the same mysterious reading comprehension problems that plague subgenius.

[_EAllusion]

Y'all wonderin' how 2016 happened. We have yet another object lesson right here right now, but you're too blind to see.

- Doc

2016 happened, not because of causal factors identified by political scientists and apparent in the data, but because people had views you do not like. I haven't seen *that* genre of analysis before.

[_EAllusion]

I wouldn't think it would be *that* hard to find at least one person who actually told Tebow to stop taking a knee. I'm sure the number is greater than zero. The only example in this thread is buried in a link to several years ago where it is mentioned that Kurt Warner said Tebow needed to chill out a bit. Of course, Kurt Warner is a hardcore evangelical who also used his fame to proselytize his faith, so this wasn't about criticizing Tebow for expressing his beliefs so much as a disagreement with marketing strategy. The upshot is that Warner is at least a Kaepernick fan. I don't know if he's praised his protests.

[_Kevin Graham]

Tebowing in 2015 really destroyed his career in sports I guess just like Kaepernick.

That's why the NY Mets signed Tebow to a contract in 2016 to see if he could play for them.

He couldn't.

And that's also why ESPN and the SEC Network both signed him to a multiyear deal as an analyst and sports commentator. Personally, I like him a lot and think he is usually spot on with his analyses.

Doc is really stretching it hard to come up with some sort of equivalence between the two.

[_canpakes]

Y'all wonderin' how 2016 happened. We have yet another object lesson right here right now, but you're too blind to see.

OK. So the takeaway is that if some folks in the general public poke fun at a religious guy for his ostentatious religious posturing during sporting events then we should expect an overblown reaction rooted in distorted perceptions of persecution, followed by the election of a lying blowhard who will folliow up with at least 4 years of divisive and polarizing rhetoric and insults cranked up to level 11.

I’m left wondering just what that ends up saying about each of the two ‘sides’ here.

[_Some Schmo]

I’m left wondering just what that ends up saying about each of the two ‘sides’ here.

It's quite remarkable there are people who actually subscribe to the logic that if "leftists" hadn't been so critical of right-wingers, we'd never have had to suffer Drumpf.

This post hoc determination is only made by morons.

It's just like a man telling a woman, "Why do you misbehave? Now I have to punish you," and then proceeding to beat the crap out of her.

That's what Scott Peck would have called a character disorder: not taking responsibility for your own behavior. People voted for Drumpf because they were unaware/did not understand the consequences of doing so, or they did understand the consequences and went for it because they're assholes/insane. Period.

[_canpakes]

I’m left wondering just what that ends up saying about each of the two ‘sides’ here.

It's quite remarkable there are people who actually subscribe to the logic that if "leftists" hadn't been so critical of right-wingers, we'd never have had to suffer Drumpf.

Right. I just read another article along those lines this morning. The ‘lesson’ being pushed seems to be that some folks felt ‘disrespected’ by some other folks, so they elected a man who would elevate ‘disrespecting’ to a whole new level. This is meant to show that such behavior was wrong by the first group, while apparently advocating it as justified by the second group, even when committed more aggressively by the second group.

I don’t buy that any behavior by non-Trump voters is conciliatory enough to many Trump voters to prompt an abandonment of this dysfunctional spiral nor change their mindset about perceived persecution suffered at the hands of their imagined enemies. You can see the same reaction from some folks on the Left, but there seems to be a far greater population on the Right that have turned this hobby into a permanent state of mind. This isn’t a slight against anyone, rather it’s an observation of behavior from the past decade or so.

So who is supposed to make what first move? And what would be expected to come of it?

[_honorentheos]

I really think part of the dynamic with Tebow had to do with him sucking as a quarterback but having one good drive in the 4th quarter six games in a row that won the game. People who watched football and those who didn't got pulled into the story because there was a guy ostensibly at the center of miracle wins week after week. To the non-football fan Christian, it was only about Tebowing. And he was a clean cut guy, saving himself for marriage, and one of the few QB coming out of the college scene that looked like a good, Norman Rockwell-style role model.

But, and this is a big but, HE SUCKED because he had bad mechanics. He just happened to be on a team with the #1 defense that could keep the game close or even score on their own so that his one good drive in the 4th could look like a miracle from Jesus. Anyone who knew anything about football could see this and it made the entire focus on Tebow a joke. After they dumped him and brought in a past-his-prime Payton Manning they made two super bowl appearances.

That's where I think the only real parallel sits, in my opinion. I thought Kaepernick wasn't really that good. That first Super Bowl loss where he threw four straight at Crabtree within the 10 yard line as time ran out showed he couldn't keep his cool when it was all on the line. He was a mediocre QB heading to backup status. I think part of the problem for him is that the total equation of his skills - controversy don't equal up to a Super Bowl championship so it isn't worth it to a team to bring him in.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I pretty much 100% agree with you, Honor. In fact, I actually support Kaepernick's right to do what he's done while I also support the Shield's right to handle their business however they want. Personally I don't think an anthem should be played at all, but it seems like we're just going to do that forever. I like how the NBA handled it, but that's probably only happening with player support because of the relationship between owners and the players.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

Kaepernick was good enough to be a backup somewhere. Tebow was scout team material at best. Neither were carrying their banner as a top player.

That said, Manning was lights out awesome when Denver initially got him. His neck injury was supposed to make him past his prime, but that was prime Manning anyway. His first season with the team is one of the best seasons ever by a quarterback. Don't confuse that with his final appearance when he was physically broken down.