Ben Shapiro interviews Candace Owens

[_Themis]

The news of Trump attacking soldiers is disturbing, but That was not on the list Ajax. I suspect you didn't even look at the list. Do you not care if Trump is being influenced or controlled by Russia?

The cold war called and wants its foreign policy back.

Doc isn't concerned about this either.

So you are fine with Russia controlling Trump?

[_Themis]

The cold war called and wants its foreign policy back.

I remember Obama using this kind of line quite effectively against Romney. A line you disagreed with and later would argue that Romney was right that Russia was the biggest foreign threat to the US. I would agree. Now you want to use the line as though you want Russia to destroy US democracy. Maybe you are hoping the far right will take over and create fascism or a theocracy.

[_ajax18]

Now you want to use the line as though you want Russia to destroy US democracy.

No I'm demonstrating that if DocCam really believed Russia were this big of a threat he wouldn't have been cheering up and down when Obama used this line during the debate in 2012. "Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after my second election." I guess we won't be seeing any debates this year given that your candidate is incapable of answering any unscripted questions even softballs lobbed at him by the biased mainstream media.

People still believe that Russia altered the vote tally through computer hacking and that this was the only reason Trump won the election. It's been debunked but that doesn't seem to matter. Russia does not control Trump. Even if they did, I'm far more scared of the communism being implemented by Bernie Sanders and Ana Ocasio Cortez than I am from Vladimir Putin. What I don't understand is what you and Doc are afraid of? Are you worried that Putin will carry out the USSR desire of global communism? Isn't that what you get by voting for Bernie Sanders? Why does it matter if you get your communism from Vladimir, Fidel, or Bernie? You still get communism and that seems to be what the radical left (who will undoubtedly control Biden) wants right? If it's not what you want, what have you ever done to stop it?

[_Themis]

Now you want to use the line as though you want Russia to destroy US democracy.

No I'm demonstrating that if DocCam really believed Russia were this big of a threat he wouldn't have been cheering up and down when Obama used this line during the debate in 2012.

No you are just avoiding that you once argued that Russia was the biggest threat, but now that Russia helped Trump get elected you don't care anymore.

People still believe that Russia altered the vote tally through computer hacking and that this was the only reason Trump won the election. It's been debunked but that doesn't seem to matter.

I don't get the impression that most liberals believe that. Do you have sources. We do know from even republicans that Russia did work to get Trump elected.

Russia does not control Trump.

If the things listed on Doc's list are true then they do have some real influence or control. That should concern anyone who values a free and democratic society.

Even if they did, I'm far more scared of the communism being implemented by Bernie Sanders and Ana Ocasio Cortez than I am from Vladimir Putin.

While I know you don't know what Bernie really stands for, it's unfortunate that many like you see the other side as more of a threat then a Mafia boss who runs a powerful country trying to bring down countries like the US.

What I don't understand is what you and Doc are afraid of? Are you worried that Putin will carry out the USSR desire of global communism? Isn't that what you get by voting for Bernie Sanders? Why does it matter if you get your communism from Vladimir, Fidel, or Bernie? You still get communism and that seems to be what the radical left (who will undoubtedly control Biden) wants right? If it's not what you want, what have you ever done to stop it?

Funny no one is advocating for Communism, and Russia is Mafia state, not a communist one. I do what I can to stop authoritarianism by supporting democratic institutions and not voting for people like Trump who want to get rid of them. Why are you so afraid to investigate this list to find out if it's claims are true or not?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

"No I'm demonstrating that if DocCam really believed Russia were this big of a threat he wouldn't have been cheering up and down when Obama used this line during the debate in 2012."

I voted for Romney. What is it that I'm supposed to be thinking, Ajax? Because I'm fairly certain I've outlined my concern about Russian interference in our democracy, and Trump's dickass subservience to their foreign policy. Also, Foundation of Geopolitics, not that you'd care about that.

- Doc

[_Themis]

Foundation of Geopolitics

Here a place to start

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundatio ... eopolitics

[_canpakes]

(on) Affirmative Action ...
Did LeBron James become LeBron James because every time he scored a basket we gave him 4 points instead of 2?

This single line perfectly encapsulates the skill and depth of Candace’s thinking.

[_Gunnar]

Now you want to use the line as though you want Russia to destroy US democracy.

No I'm demonstrating that if DocCam really believed Russia were this big of a threat he wouldn't have been cheering up and down when Obama used this line during the debate in 2012. "Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after my second election." I guess we won't be seeing any debates this year given that your candidate is incapable of answering any unscripted questions even softballs lobbed at him by the biased mainstream media.

People still believe that Russia altered the vote tally through computer hacking and that this was the only reason Trump won the election. It's been debunked but that doesn't seem to matter. Russia does not control Trump. Even if they did, I'm far more scared of the communism being implemented by Bernie Sanders and Ana Ocasio Cortez than I am from Vladimir Putin. What I don't understand is what you and Doc are afraid of? Are you worried that Putin will carry out the USSR desire of global communism? Isn't that what you get by voting for Bernie Sanders? Why does it matter if you get your communism from Vladimir, Fidel, or Bernie? You still get communism and that seems to be what the radical left (who will undoubtedly control Biden) wants right? If it's not what you want, what have you ever done to stop it?

So, now we have it! You support Trump because you think communism is inevitable anyway, and you somehow think that Communism under Putin or a Putin puppet like Trump will be less problematic than any likely alternative? And let's be clear. Russia is currently not a real, communist state, nor anywhere close to it, and even Putin obviously realizes that Communism was a failed experiment.

Even if it were true that Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were communists (which they are not), why would you think that communism under a known, murderous despot like Putin or a Putin puppet is somehow less frightening than being ruled by demonstrably compassionate, democratic and honest folks like Bernie or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez? Because they are not racists and white supremacists like you have often inadvertently (and sometimes even openly) demonstrated yourself to be?

I don't favor communism or abandonment of democratically based government and economy based on honest private enterprise and entrepreneurship, but I would much rather live under a democratically elected and honest communist government than be ruled by a pathologically dishonest, narcissistic and wannabe absolute tyrant like Trump, whether of hard right or extreme left persuasion.

[_moksha]

I wear the white supremacist and racist insults as a badge of honor now...

Are the robe and hood too hot for summer wear?

[_Gunnar]

I wear the white supremacist and racist insults as a badge of honor now...

That is truly sad, and even heartbreaking!

The worst of it is that you probably think of yourself as a righteous Christian for doing so. It is a perfect illustration of the Physicist, Steven Weinberg's quote, "With or without religion, we would have good people doing good things, and evil people doing evil things, but for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."