Trying to Understand

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Wow. Wow. Wow. I just listened to both victory speeches. How refreshing was that!

Did you guys notice Joe's facial expressions? Did you see that little sparkle in his eyes when he smiled? That's a good boy right there. Not a perfect boy. An emotionally healthy boy. He didn't say that he alone could fix everything. :roll: He consistently spoke in terms of "we" and he didn't mean just him and Kamala. He means US. He knows that change is going to require an "all hands on deck" approach. Their speeches were simply inspiring. Biden is inspired. Harris is inspired. And, it is contagious.

I love when he talks about his home life as a boy. He's still got his relatives talking in his ear. If you ask Trump about his parents, he says "They were great people; great parents." But he can't share even one single meaningful anecdote from childhood. Why? Because he doesn't have any. He didn't have the emotionally intimate relationships with his parents that Biden had with his whole immediate and extended family. Biden effortlessly references quotes and stories from childhood as if he is quoting the great truths of life. He reveres them. He recalls them. He lives by them and passes that confidence and foundation on to others. They are his proverbs for how to live life. They are his guiding principles.

I also loved that he shared his favorite hymn. He shows you where his courage and determination comes from. I am certain that his faith was an important part of his childhood and one that he relied on throughout his own trials in life. He's not afraid to press forward. He's not afraid to fail. If he fails at one thing, he'll simply choose another course of action to try to get a thing done so long as he believes the thing is right to do. I can relate to that.

Trump is scared crapless of failing. He's yelling at the country right now on Twitter. He's on the floor kicking and screaming about an unfair election. He could be using that time to ramp up the Defense Production Act. But no. He's using the time plastering himself in front of the television, phone in hand, tweeting OUR LIVES away.

Biden isn't arrogant or conceited. He's humble yet confident in his belief in God and the overall goodness of this country. The only thing Trump believes is that he's the best, greatest, most special, stable genius. Notice that he's the only one who really says that about him. The rest of his surrogates simply parrot what he says to stay in his good graces.

I'll never forget the sight of Trump standing in front of that church, holding up the Bible. And not saying a word. Why? I think it's because he doesn't know what's inside of it. He doesn't personally know what any of it means. I think he held it up because he knows it means something to people. Another case of him mirroring if you ask me. I dunno...it doesn't impress me much when someone uses the Bible as a political prop.

Anyway...I'm tired of writing long posts. :lol:

Here are the lyrics to Biden's hymn. It reminds me a lot of Isaiah 40:31 that I discovered unexpectedly during a significant time in my life. Like it was just THERE. :o It has since become one of my life verses...the kind that you call to mind when you need reminding. Like during a pandemic that feels like the marathon of your life.

I think this is yet another example of why Joe Biden is fearlessly determined. He knows the difference between right and wrong. He's going to try to do right.

On Eagle's Wings by Michael Joncas

You who dwell in the shelter of the Lord
Who abide in His shadow for life
Say to the Lord, "My refuge, my rock in whom I trust!"
And He will raise you up on eagles' wings
Bear you on the breath of dawn
Make you to shine like the sun
And hold you in the palm of His hand
The snare of the fowler will never capture you
And famine will bring you no fear
Under His wings your refuge, His faithfulness your shield
And He will raise you up on eagles' wings
Bear you on the breath of dawn
Make you to shine like the sun
And hold you in the palm of His hand
You need not fear the terror of the night
Nor the arrow that flies by day
Though thousands fall about you, near you it shall not come
And He will raise you up on eagles' wings
Bear you on the breath of dawn
Make you to shine like the sun
And hold you in the palm of His hand
For to His angels He's given a command
To guard you in all of your ways
Upon their hands they will bear you up
Lest you dash your foot against a stone
And He will raise you up on eagles' wings
Bear you on the breath of dawn
Make you to shine like the sun
And hold you in the palm of His hand
And hold you, hold you in the palm of His hand
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We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF

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I dislike the way that Guerrilla Marketing has been used to repeat untrue messages so many times that it has polluted the minds of many people. What do you say to neighbors and family (assuming you live in Utah) that say they know Trump is the world's only true President? Examples of Justin Trudeau, Andrés Obrador, Jacinda Ardern, and Joe Biden will be insufficient to convince them otherwise.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:58 am
Here are the lyrics to Biden's hymn. It reminds me a lot of Isaiah 40:31 that I discovered unexpectedly during a significant time in my life. Like it was just THERE. It has since become one of my life verses...the kind that you call to mind when you need reminding
Much of this appears to be Psalm 91, with additions from elsewhere in the Old and New Testaments. In my religious past I have frequently sung, or rather chanted, the Psalms in the text of the Book of Common Prayer, and the words tend to stick in the mind.

(The text below is as printed in the BCP - the colons (:) indicate where one switches to the next musical phrase of the chant. It sounds like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbJPVqpFRp4)
Psalm 91
(from Day 18 Morning Prayer)

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WHOSO dwelleth under the defence of the most High: shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
I will say unto the Lord, Thou art my hope, and my strong hold: my God, in him will I trust.
For he shall deliver thee from the snare of the hunter: and from the noisome pestilence.
He shall defend thee under his wings, and thou shalt be safe under his feathers: his faithfulness and truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Thou shalt not be afraid for any terror by night: nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
For the pestilence that walketh in darkness: nor for the sickness that destroyeth in the noon-day.
A thousand shall fall beside thee, and ten thousand at thy right hand: but it shall not come nigh thee.
Yea, with thine eyes shalt thou behold: and see the reward of the ungodly.
For thou, Lord, art my hope: thou hast set thine house of defence very high.
There shall no evil happen unto thee: neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
For he shall give his angels charge over thee: to keep thee in all thy ways.
They shall bear thee in their hands: that thou hurt not thy foot against a stone.
Thou shalt go upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou tread under thy feet.
Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him up, because he hath known my Name.
He shall call upon me, and I will hear him: yea, I am with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and bring him to honour.
With long life will I satisfy him: and shew him my salvation.
The ancient Hebrew hymn from which this is translated comes from a time before there was a supposedly divine injunction to turn the other cheek, and one was permitted to express the hope that bad things would happen to bad people. But under current circumstances several phrases have me nodding, such as this one, omitted from the hymn you quoted:
Yea, with thine eyes shalt thou behold: and see the reward of the ungodly.
Well, so long as 'the ungodly' refers to one particular person, not to the mass of those whom he has deceived and turned towards fear, hate and rage, I am inclined to say 'bring it on'. (Nothing illegal, of course ...)
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:58 am
Wow. Wow. Wow. I just listened to both victory speeches. How refreshing was that!
That was cool water on a parched throat.

Biden has really grown on me. I do think he's the right guy for this moment. I wish him all the best (he'll need it, given the mess he has to clean up).
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"And guess what? They think you are wrong on every point about which you disagree with them. So who's right?"

That's like asking, who is right about the Book of Abraham? The apologists believe it's true as much but probably more than the critics believe it's false, so who is to say if it's right or wrong?
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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And it doesn't matter anyway. Even if Trump really did wonderful things, they all go out the window with any one of his bids to raise a dictatorship based on the subs method of getting obvious lies to go viral. There are other supporting efforts toward that end also, "fire Faucci" -- get rid of competent science authorities for no other reason that to sustain the image of the party.

Any example, such as his false declarations of victory over Covid or the election, is enough to flush all of his supposed combined accomplishments down the toilet.

If there's a plot to get Kamala as president, raise taxes to 67% and give 50% of the jobs whites have to non-whites, the one thing you can rest easy about is that she can be voted out of office in a few years. And she likely will be, if she's going to be as aggressive as conservatives fear.

A friend of mine who does pretty well, full-time investor and wife an exec, is cussing up a storm every day about how Biden's tax plan is going to F up the whole thing, as this will be the first time he's voted against his wallet by voting for him. It had to be done, but this may be a one-time courtesy for a lot of people who never thought they'd vote for a Democrat.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Gadianton wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:28 pm
"And guess what? They think you are wrong on every point about which you disagree with them. So who's right?"

That's like asking, who is right about the Book of Abraham? The apologists believe it's true as much but probably more than the critics believe it's false, so who is to say if it's right or wrong?
And it gets worse.

It’s one thing to believe that we have remade our trade relationship with China (we haven’t; our trade deficit with China is essentially unchanged from 2016), or that North Korea has been
neutralized (it hasn’t; it’s nuke program continues to advance), or that he has ‘rebuilt the military’ (he hasn’t; Trump’s first two year military budgets were less than Obama’s) or that he has ‘fired 214 generals and admirals’ (lol, we don’t even have anything close to that number in total anyway), but this sort of fantastically false rhetoric has its darker side:
This clown in the White House uncovered widespread pedophilia in the government and in Hollywood, and is exposing world wide sex trafficking of minors and bringing children home to their families.

When Trump voters start looking at their neighbors as a potential participant in a nonexistent worldwide pedophilia ring simply because they spot a Biden 2020 sign in the front yard, then there are serious issues at stake. And when Trump doesn’t swoop in to crush the ring and ‘#SavetheChildren’ (because he won’t), then when does the angry Trump voter start to channel their belief - and their frustration that they have a mandate of God that is being ignored - into some sort of ‘action’? Just what will that look like?

Perhaps the worst part of it - even more so than the fact that so many within the Trump Camp seem to willingly swallow these conspiracy theories that have potential to manifest in all of the wrong ways - is the fact that somewhere at the top of the misinformation food chain, there are folks within the Trump cult of personality that are willing to push such incredible lies in an effort to extend their own aims. That moves the comparison needle from Mormonism’s Book of Abraham belief, up the scale more towards fanatical Islamic Jihad.
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Chap wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:42 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:58 am
Here are the lyrics to Biden's hymn. It reminds me a lot of Isaiah 40:31 that I discovered unexpectedly during a significant time in my life. Like it was just THERE. It has since become one of my life verses...the kind that you call to mind when you need reminding
Much of this appears to be Psalm 91, with additions from elsewhere in the Old and New Testaments. In my religious past I have frequently sung, or rather chanted, the Psalms in the text of the Book of Common Prayer, and the words tend to stick in the mind.

(The text below is as printed in the BCP - the colons (:) indicate where one switches to the next musical phrase of the chant. It sounds like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbJPVqpFRp4)
Psalm 91
(from Day 18 Morning Prayer)

Qui habitat

WHOSO dwelleth under the defence of the most High: shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
I will say unto the Lord, Thou art my hope, and my strong hold: my God, in him will I trust.
For he shall deliver thee from the snare of the hunter: and from the noisome pestilence.
He shall defend thee under his wings, and thou shalt be safe under his feathers: his faithfulness and truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Thou shalt not be afraid for any terror by night: nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
For the pestilence that walketh in darkness: nor for the sickness that destroyeth in the noon-day.
A thousand shall fall beside thee, and ten thousand at thy right hand: but it shall not come nigh thee.
Yea, with thine eyes shalt thou behold: and see the reward of the ungodly.
For thou, Lord, art my hope: thou hast set thine house of defence very high.
There shall no evil happen unto thee: neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
For he shall give his angels charge over thee: to keep thee in all thy ways.
They shall bear thee in their hands: that thou hurt not thy foot against a stone.
Thou shalt go upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou tread under thy feet.
Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him up, because he hath known my Name.
He shall call upon me, and I will hear him: yea, I am with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and bring him to honour.
With long life will I satisfy him: and shew him my salvation.
The ancient Hebrew hymn from which this is translated comes from a time before there was a supposedly divine injunction to turn the other cheek, and one was permitted to express the hope that bad things would happen to bad people. But under current circumstances several phrases have me nodding, such as this one, omitted from the hymn you quoted:
Yea, with thine eyes shalt thou behold: and see the reward of the ungodly.
Well, so long as 'the ungodly' refers to one particular person, not to the mass of those whom he has deceived and turned towards fear, hate and rage, I am inclined to say 'bring it on'. (Nothing illegal, of course ...)
Hey thanks, Chap! I thought it was a reflection of scripture, I just hadn't bothered to look for it yet since I was still in the moment with the speeches and how I received them. But...leave it to you!

You know, if Biden wrote his own speech (and Kamala as well) they both did such a good job of connecting with the population.
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Gadianton wrote:
Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:28 pm
"And guess what? They think you are wrong on every point about which you disagree with them. So who's right?"
That's like asking, who is right about the Book of Abraham? The apologists believe it's true as much but probably more than the critics believe it's false, so who is to say if it's right or wrong?
Would you believe me if I told you that I thought of that very example as I was typing the above? I considered deleting it, but I left it in anyway to illustrate that in some minds, the confusion is real.
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Would you believe me if I told you that I thought of that very example as I was typing the above? I considered deleting it, but I left it in anyway to illustrate that in some minds, the confusion is real.
Absolutely. I based my response on how I think you would have responded to it.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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