Bednar claims the church is growing and vibrant

[Marcus]

So, assuming a "challenge in the flesh" is "an inclination to be attracted to those of the same sex,"
the question still stands: has Bednar stated that "an inclination to be attracted to those of the opposite sex" is also an example of "challenge in the flesh"?

[Res Ipsa]

Of course that's your take. It's only the gazilionth time you've tried to put the worse possible spin you can think of on something that an LDS leader said.

Insinuating that Bednar's attempts joke has anything to do with physically abusing his wife is reprehensible.

Insinuating that same sex attraction is like unto a physical disability is reprehensible.

You really should not emulate Binger in your portrayal of analogies. In what way does Bednar say that SSA is "like unto" physical disabilities?

[Marcus]

Of course that's your take. It's only the gazilionth time you've tried to put the worse possible spin you can think of on something that an LDS leader said.

Insinuating that Bednar's attempts joke has anything to do with physically abusing his wife is reprehensible.

I'll have to disagree with you strongly here. It's not reprehensible, it's normal.

If my husband made a joke in a such a public setting about me being afraid he might hit me with the water bottle he was holding for an object lesson, we would have an intensely serious conversation afterwards about what that implied. It would not be a pleasant conversation, and it would result in no spouse of mine ever again making a public joke about me being "afraid" he would hit me. It would not matter if he didn't mean it that way, there is no justification for making a joke about your wife being afraid you might hit her with an object, that other people might interpret wrongly. None.

Thankfully, I know my spouse already knows this. As do most. It was a hugely inappropriate comment on Bednar's part.

[I Have Questions]

Insinuating that same sex attraction is like unto a physical disability is reprehensible.

You really should not emulate Binger in your portrayal of analogies. In what way does Bednar say that SSA is "like unto" physical disabilities?

We are sons and daughters of God and all of us have different challenges in the flesh. There are many different types of challenges. Would it be a challenge to be very beautiful or very handsome, and in the world in which we live, never develop deep character because we are able to open doors and have success just because of our physical appearance? And we become shallow and superficial in many aspects of our lives.

That can be a challenge in the flesh.

Some people have physical limitations: They may be born with a body that is not fully functional, or we may have an inclination to be attracted to those of the same sex.

It couldn’t be any clearer than this.

[Res Ipsa]

So, assuming a "challenge in the flesh" is "an inclination to be attracted to those of the same sex,"
the question still stands: has Bednar stated that "an inclination to be attracted to those of the opposite sex" is also an example of "challenge in the flesh"?

Yes. As I read it, physical limitations, SSA, and being physically attractive all fall within his category "challenges in the flesh"

[Marcus]

So, assuming a "challenge in the flesh" is "an inclination to be attracted to those of the same sex,"
the question still stands: has Bednar stated that "an inclination to be attracted to those of the opposite sex" is also an example of "challenge in the flesh"?

Yes. As I read it, physical limitations, SSA, and being physically attractive all fall within his category "challenges in the flesh"

My question was
"has Bednar stated that "an inclination to be attracted to those of the opposite sex" is also an example of a "challenge in the flesh"? "

[MG 2.0]

As to the last, again, you have to watch the video. His wife is sitting next to him. When he talks about moving the water bottle, he kind of waves it around. He tried to insert a joke about waving the bottle around that (in my opinion) didn't land. You can watch his wife when he's moving the bottle around. She doesn't flinch or look concerned that he's going to hit her. They do have a moment of eye contact, as if she had said on an earlier occasion: hey, watch it when you wave that bottle around. I dunno. The audience laughed. She played it up, pretending to take cover after he said it.

I’m thinking IHAQ wasn’t really serious.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

I'll have to disagree with you strongly here. It's not reprehensible, it's normal.

If my husband made a joke in a such a public setting about me being afraid he might hit me with the water bottle he was holding for an object lesson, we would have an intensely serious conversation afterwards about what that implied. It would not be a pleasant conversation, and it would result in no spouse of mine ever again making a public joke about me being "afraid" he would hit me. It would not matter if he didn't mean it that way, there is no justification for making a joke about your wife being afraid you might hit her with an object, that other people might interpret wrongly. None.

Thankfully, I know my spouse already knows this. As do most. It was a hugely inappropriate comment on Bednar's part.

And this is the culture we live in today. We can’t even playfully tease.

I can see where you are coming from I think. A place where, and it is true, women have been ‘objects’ and a point of belittlement. I would be the last one to argue against that unfortunate view of women.

But c’mon, have a little grace. Think of context. Think of those involved. Try and understand that there is actually a time and a place for an innocent and playful gesture.

Sheesh.

I think this response clarifies your overly sensitive response at times on this board when others are playfully bantering back and forth and teasing.

My guess is that there are others here who are seeing your comments in regards to Bednar’s water bottle as being a bit over the top. But they probably won’t call you on it because you’ll accuse them as being sexist.

Things have gone way to far in this fractured society when we can’t do anything without being called out as being this or that.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

I'll have to disagree with you strongly here. It's not reprehensible, it's normal.

If my husband made a joke in a such a public setting about me being afraid he might hit me with the water bottle he was holding for an object lesson, we would have an intensely serious conversation afterwards about what that implied. It would not be a pleasant conversation, and it would result in no spouse of mine ever again making a public joke about me being "afraid" he would hit me. It would not matter if he didn't mean it that way, there is no justification for making a joke about your wife being afraid you might hit her with an object, that other people might interpret wrongly. None.

Thankfully, I know my spouse already knows this. As do most. It was a hugely inappropriate comment on Bednar's part.

And this is the culture we live in today. We can’t even playfully tease.

I can see where you are coming from, I think. A place where, and it is true, women have been ‘objects’ and a point of belittlement. I would be the last one to argue against that.

But c’mon, have a little grace. Think of context. Think of those involved. Try and understand that there is actually a time and a place for an innocent and playful gesture.

Sheesh.

I think this response clarifies your overly sensitive response at times on this board when others are playfully bantering back and forth and teasing.

My guess is that there are others here who are seeing your comments in regards to Bednar’s water bottle as being a bit over the top. But they probably won’t call you on it because you’ll accuse them as being sexist.

Things have gone way to far in this fractured society when we can’t do anything without being called out as being this or that.

Regards,
MG

You "playfully tease" in public settings that your wife is afraid you will hit her with a water bottle?

You would like women to "have a little grace" about the "innocent and playful gesture" of telling an audience she is afraid you will hit her with a water bottle?

I am grateful that the culture i live in today doesn't include expecting women to gracefully acquisce when men would like to playfully tease them about how they are afraid of being hit by them.

[Res Ipsa]

I'll have to disagree with you strongly here. It's not reprehensible, it's normal.

If my husband made a joke in a such a public setting about me being afraid he might hit me with the water bottle he was holding for an object lesson, we would have an intensely serious conversation afterwards about what that implied. It would not be a pleasant conversation, and it would result in no spouse of mine ever again making a public joke about me being "afraid" he would hit me. It would not matter if he didn't mean it that way, there is no justification for making a joke about your wife being afraid you might hit her with an object, that other people might interpret wrongly. None.

Thankfully, I know my spouse already knows this. As do most. It was a hugely inappropriate comment on Bednar's part.

Unfortunately, the quote function dropped what I described as "reprehensible." IHQ referred to Bednar's comment as a "confession." Implying that Bednar's comment has any implication that he is wife beater is reprehensible. I strongly disagree that drawing that conclusion is "normal." As a person who talks a lot with his hands, I've both made and been the subject of many jokes about the havoc I might accidentally wreak while trying to make a point. Conflating a joke about accidentally hitting something or someone while gesturing with spousal abuse is "normal" only among those who bear significant antipathy toward the person in the first place.

Critizing Eldar Bednar for joking about a subject so serious that it should never be joked about is a different issue. I think I understand your point of view, and agree when it comes to joking about physical abuse. I'm not as convinced when it comes to a joke about accidental behavior. Given the large numbers of people who seem determined to place the worst interpretation they can imagine on others' words (See any edition of Fox News), I'm loath to adopt "that other people might interpret wrongly" as a standard for judging others speech.

Humor is tricky. I suppose the most important thing is that you and your husband are on the same page when it comes to this issue. Same with my wife and I, although what passes for humor in the two households may look very different.