The MAGA Loyalty Crossroads

[Markk]

Saying that we're all hypocrites, or sinners, or thieves as justification for our own personal foibles is BS. We're, none of us, hypocrites or sinners or thieves to the same degree as each other. Piously using the false equivalency that we all have a failing dilutes our ability to address that failing, by defining it away. It's like saying that art is in everything or that we're all artists. If art is in everything to the same degree, then the word 'art' loses all meaning. If everyone is an artist to the same degree then Thomas Kincade is Michelangelo and Dr Seuss is Caravaggio--and we might as well not bother.

I did not say to "the same degree," that is a lie, but that we are all hypocrites. Your adding "the same degree" is metaphorically putting words into my mouth and clearly blatant. I said clearly "we all have our lines." You are being hypocritical in a way by even posting such a statement. And by me saying it was a lie by you, I am not calling you "liar" in a mean or aggressive way, but showing you that we all lie to one degree or another, not to the same degree as you tried to inject into what I wrote.

Are you saying you are not a hypocrite here with your defense of Biden and your attacks of Trump? Lol, give a brother a break. Lol, Biden probably lies more than Trump percentage wise....Trump lies more by number in that he won't shut up, where as Biden was locked up and kept from the public.

Can you show me where I said anything about to the "same degree? "

Let me ask you this, is it wrong and a automatic disqualifier in your mind, that one should not support a politician that lies?

A good example is a post I just responded to Moska about, or what ever her board name is, she said Trump cheats as a negative in golf, all the while Biden said in THE debate he was a 6 or 8 handicap....which as Trump said is clearly a huge lie. Then he boosted some nonsense about carrying their bags, are you kidding me, there is no way he could carry his bags for a hole or two, let alone a round. I am in good shape and at my age carrying my bags from my truck to the cart tells me it would kick my rear to even try to carry my bag for 18.

Where are your lines in your hypocrisy....is adding words to what I wrote within that line acceptable too you?

I do understand the part about voting for ideology rather than character. I think that we all have to make that choice continuously. I voted for Bill Clinton even though I didn't like what I knew of his character, because I thought his ideology matched my own better than Papa Bush's. After he lied about Lewinsky, his character deficits drove me away, and I wanted to see him impeached. Even now, I'm not sure I was right in my choices--either time. I think it's a hard call.

We can agree on that.

It seems though, that you were okay with his lies leading up too Lewinsky....meaning that was your line in your hypocrisy. You put up with his bad character, until the Monica lies.

In turn, one of my lines with dismissing Trump, after putting up with his, lol, "character flaws," is if he was involved in the Epstein mess. Like I wrote we are all hypocrites and have our lines.

One of the greatest scenes in a movie, in my opinion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20jWMF4M8fo

[Markk]

Morley: The problem with we humans, when we're drawing lines in the sand that we'll never cross, is that we move these lines once they become inconvenient. I'll bet that during the time that Clinton was in office, you would have said you'd never vote for any man who would take advantage of a woman the way that Clinton did. And that belief about yourself probably remained true...until Trump came along.

That's fair. With Clinton I was very black and white, and also naïve about Bush the Younger. Life has a way of changing you, and for me understanding and coming to grips with what our hearts are capable of is part of that.

Where is your line with Biden....are you willing to concede yet that he and his family were dirty in regard to the scandals? It will come out eventually.

[Morley]

Saying that we're all hypocrites, or sinners, or thieves as justification for our own personal foibles is BS. We're, none of us, hypocrites or sinners or thieves to the same degree as each other. Piously using the false equivalency that we all have a failing dilutes our ability to address that failing, by defining it away. It's like saying that art is in everything or that we're all artists. If art is in everything to the same degree, then the word 'art' loses all meaning. If everyone is an artist to the same degree then Thomas Kincade is Michelangelo and Dr Seuss is Caravaggio--and we might as well not bother.

I did not say to "the same degree," that is a lie, but that we are all hypocrites. Your adding "the same degree" is metaphorically putting words into my mouth and clearly blatant. I said clearly "we all have our lines." You are being hypocritical in a way by even posting such a statement. And by me saying it was a lie by you, I am not calling you "liar" in a mean or aggressive way, but showing you that we all lie to one degree or another, not to the same degree as you tried to inject into what I wrote.

Are you saying you are not a hypocrite here with your defense of Biden and your attacks of Trump? Lol, give a brother a break. Lol, Biden probably lies more than Trump percentage wise....Trump lies more by number in that he won't shut up, where as Biden was locked up and kept from the public.

Can you show me where I said anything about to the "same degree? "

Let me ask you this, is it wrong and a automatic disqualifier in your mind, that one should not support a politician that lies?

A good example is a post I just responded to Moska about, or what ever her board name is, she said Trump cheats as a negative in golf, all the while Biden said in THE debate he was a 6 or 8 handicap....which as Trump said is clearly a huge lie. Then he boosted some nonsense about carrying their bags, are you kidding me, there is no way he could carry his bags for a hole or two, let alone a round. I am in good shape and at my age carrying my bags from my truck to the cart tells me it would kick my rear to even try to carry my bag for 18.

Where are your lines in your hypocrisy....is adding words to what I wrote within that line acceptable too you?

I do understand the part about voting for ideology rather than character. I think that we all have to make that choice continuously. I voted for Bill Clinton even though I didn't like what I knew of his character, because I thought his ideology matched my own better than Papa Bush's. After he lied about Lewinsky, his character deficits drove me away, and I wanted to see him impeached. Even now, I'm not sure I was right in my choices--either time. I think it's a hard call.

We can agree on that.

It seems though, that you were okay with his lies leading up too Lewinsky....meaning that was your line in your hypocrisy. You put up with his bad character, until the Monica lies.

In turn, one of my lines with dismissing Trump, after putting up with his, lol, "character flaws," is if he was involved in the Epstein mess. Like I wrote we are all hypocrites and have our lines.

One of the greatest scenes in a movie, in my opinion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20jWMF4M8fo

No, Markk. I'm not claiming that YOU were saying we're all hypocrites to the same degree. You are merely saying we are all hypocrites.

I, Morley, am saying that while we may all be hypocrites, we're not all hypocrites to the same degree. Nowhere did I attribute that to you. I (Morley) am saying that intoning that "We are all hypocrites" is a meaningless phrase, one that excuses our own behavior, because we are not all hypocrites about everything, and we are not all hypocrites to the same degree about any one thing.

Some of us are more hypocritical about certain things than others. It is okay to call it out when it happens.

This was your subject, by the way. Hypocrisy is something I rarely bring up on my own.

[Gadianton]

Saying that we're all hypocrites, or sinners, or thieves as justification for our own personal foibles is BS.

Unless its a guy crossing a border to provide for his family without any paperwork or reasonable pathway to secure such paperwork, then there are no limits to the acceptable retribution. Mark has already signed off on Guantanamo Bay as a reasonable way to detain such people indefinitely and also signed off on extraditing to foreign prisons indefinitely, and also signed off any of these solutions and god knows what else without "some liberal judge" (which has largely included MAGA judges) stopping it; the only due process being the orders given to the arresting officers or their own judgement. Nothing done thus far has made him even blink -- assuming the 1/15 posts of his I've read are representative of the remainder of the illiterate lot.

Fortunately for Mark, Jesus is a figment of his imagination, otherwise the "foibles" of his own and his favorite leaders might get some folks in serious trouble in the afterlife. Jesus seemed particularly disturbed over injustices to the weak. Mark would be one of those complacent Roman citizens, "that guy again from Galilee? why don't we just crucify all of them and be done with it rather than wasting our time with these liberal Censors. They're breaking the law."

[Some Schmo]

So to answer your question, my hypocrisy only goes so far, and I cut the ties with pedophilia for sure.

So raping women is ok, but you draw the line at raping kids.

Well aren't you moral.

[canpakes]

So to answer your question, my hypocrisy only goes so far, and I cut the ties with pedophilia for sure.

So raping women is ok, but you draw the line at raping kids.

Well aren't you moral.

For Trump, maybe. For Biden or others, it’s the claim that he can carry a golf bag.

[Doctor Steuss]

But what if the Clintons are there and Obama and others of the democrat team? Shouldn't all the aholes go to prison? They should right, even if it harms the team?

Absolutely. That the Democrat establishment continues to platform Clinton with all that is already known about him is pretty gross.

[Some Schmo]

It wouldn't be surprising if Trump was involved more than has been disclosed so far. He was pals with Epstein and seemingly promoted the attorney, in his first admin, that gave Epstein a pass with a plea agreement that can be smelled all over the world. But what if the Clintons are there and Obama and others of the democrat team? Shouldn't all the aholes go to prison? They should right, even if it harms the team?

I would think rooting out the criminals in your party helps the team, not harms it.

Should serious criminals go to jail? Obviously. Should people go to jail because we don't like their politics? Obviously not (except that's not so obvious to Trump supporters, apparently).

[canpakes]

Nothing done thus far has made him even blink -- assuming the 1/15 posts of his I've read are representative of the remainder of the illiterate lot.

I’m not convinced that any evidence of Trump engaging in pedophilia or pedophilia-adjacent behavior would shake more than a handful of MAGA from Trump’s thrall. They will simply reject it as not real. They’ve stood all agape at him as a virtual god-in-the flesh for too long, and have believed so many alternative realities enmeshed within QAnonsense that most are completely unable to cut ties at this point.

It doesn’t help that they’ve tied their identity so strongly to him. To sever ties with Trump is - in their eyes - to deny oneself.

I’ll never understand how a human gets to that point, but that is where so many MAGA are, in my opinion.

[Markk]

No, Markk. I'm not claiming that YOU were saying we're all hypocrites to the same degree. You are merely saying we are all hypocrites.

Morley however wrote: " [Markk] Saying that we're all hypocrites, or sinners, or thieves as justification for our own personal foibles is BS. We're, none of us, hypocrites or sinners or thieves to the same degree as each other."

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