Peterson Misleading Again

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You didn't admit I wasn't inaccurate?

Then this statement of yours makes no sense:

Here's a hint: If somebody seriously describes a rose to me as "a mindless organism that sucks its nourishment from the dirt and mud and muck, flourishes when drenched with excrement, and lures people with its 'beauty' so as to tear their flesh, make them bleed, and cause them pain," he's not actually saying anything inaccurate. But I also don't know that it's really worth discussing horticulture with him or inviting him to be a judge at a rose festival.


Dan, you and I both know you can't point out a single inaccuracy in any of my three statements.
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beastie wrote:Dan, you and I both know you can't point out a single inaccuracy in any of my three statements.


I flatly deny your claim that apologists are "willing to disregard past teachings of prophets and apostles."

There. That's one.

But here's a freebie extra: I reject your characterization of Christ as a "half-god." Neither Latter-day Saints nor mainstream Trinitarians would find that phrase unproblematic. It's riven with grave theological error.

Now that's it, beastie. Enough! Basta!

I'm not going to discuss these topics with you. You'll get no more. Period. Verstehst?
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beastie wrote:over the years I've noticed male believers display a tendency to be more condescending and sneering towards female critics.

There there, little girl. Don't get all upset. You'll muss your hair and smear your eye shadow. Here's a pat on the head.

Now go away.

Dang it, though, beastie, you're just as cute as a bug in a rug when you stamp your pretty little foot like that.
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Here's why I think Dan has held a grudge against me:

On MAD, I insisted that the apologists had made the Book of Mormon unfalsifiable. Ben argued that wasn't true, so I used the same tactics I had seen used with the Book of Mormon on the Gospel of Barnabas. The piece de resistance was when Dan inadvertently handed the perfect demonstration on different thread. So I used Dan's exact words - and even noted they were dan's words - and Ben roundly criticized the method.



white crow

beastie:
Ben asked me to support my contention that the text demanded a figurative use of Jubilee. It's the only way the text makes sense. If we assume a first century origin for the text, and ask how it makes sense within that context, the only answer is figurative.

Besides, unless you can demonstrate that no individual in first century Israel ever used the Jubilee in a figurative context, yours is a none-too-compelling argument from silence.

As the saying has it, all that's needed to disprove the contention that all crows are black is one white crow. It is impossible to survey all of the "crows" who ever lived in ancient Israel. The evidence is gone, never to be recovered.


(note, thanks to Dan Peterson for demonstrating this particular argument on the thread "Mesoamericans, Pagans or Christians"? I thought I'd have to do various searches to find it exemplified, and then my procrastination paid off and it fell in my lap.)


Ben:
In other words, you are attempting to make you claim unfalisifiable.


beastie:
DING DING DING!

You win the prize. by the way, you do realize that I was using Peterson's words, simply changing the nouns? And this was your response. I have made the text unfalsifiable.

Thank you for finally getting it.


Ben:

And Beastie - the problem is that this is not what Brant or I do with the text of the Book of Mormon.


I'm not saying Dan remembers this specific conversation. But I think it's possible that it colored his perception of me.

I still think it's one of the funniest net moments I've ever experienced.
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I flatly deny your claim that apologists are "willing to disregard past teachings of prophets and apostles."


Ok, which of these statements is incorrect?

1 - past prophets and apostles taught - over the pulpit - that the Book of Mormon Hill Cumorah was in NY. I can provide text if you want.

2 - apologists say that the real Cumorah was in Mesoamerica.

3 - conclusion... you disregard the teachings of past prophets and apostles.

Note that I said nothing about "doctrine", so please don't divert the conversation there. I said "teaching". They were instructing the church, over the pulpit, functioning in their callings, when they made these statements. They were TEACHINGS.


There. That's one.

But here's a freebie extra: I reject your characterization of Christ as a "half-god." Neither Latter-day Saints nor mainstream Trinitarians would find that phrase unproblematic. It's riven with grave theological error.

Now that's it, beastie. Enough! Basta!

I'm not going to discuss these topics with you. You'll get no more. Period. Verstehst?


Jesus' biological mother was mortal. Jesus' biological father was a god. Jesus was half-god in terms of his parentage.
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beastie wrote:Here's why I think Dan has held a grudge against me:

Wrong on two counts.

(1) I hold no grudge against you.

(2) I'm not even sure that I noticed that exchange on the board formerly known as FAIR. I've seen you mention it here, but I don't seem to recall seeing it there.

I'm sorry that it irritates and offends you so much that I'm not interested in attempting a serious conversation with you. You really shouldn't try to prolong this. It might just make it more painful for you.

beastie wrote:I'm not saying Dan remembers this specific conversation. But I think it's possible that it colored his perception of me.

So you think it's possible that my alleged perception of you has been colored by a conversation of which I may not have been (in fact, wasn't) aware?

Weird.

Boy, does that kind of thinking tempt me to devote hours and hours to serious dialogue with you!
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beastie wrote:Ok, which of these statements is incorrect?

You're just not getting it, beastie.

I don't see much value in attempting serious conversation with you.

So I'm not going to waste my time on it.

Clear enough?
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Post by _beastie »

Ok, then, the white crow has nothing to do with. I still got to enjoy sharing it.

by the way, Dan, you're not irritating me at all. You're doing what I expect you to do. I'm enjoying teasing you, haven't you noticed yet?
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beastie wrote:Ok, then, the white crow has nothing to do with. I still got to enjoy sharing it.


Thanks for sharing it, beastie. I enjoyed it too.
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Thanks for sharing it, beastie. I enjoyed it too.


tee hee
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