No Trump defenders left ...?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I've wondered on this site why no one is looking into Trump's relationship with Epstein, the pedophile. There was a case of an alleged rape involving Trump and a then 13 year old girl that was suddenly dismissed by the now woman. But that Epstein business probably includes too many big names including the Clintons to look into.

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You can easily search this site by googling:

site:mormondiscussions.com

and then whatever key words you want to input. Anyway, it's been brought up and discussed multiple times. What do you want this board to do other than point out that Trump is a pederast?



- Doc

[_EAllusion]

I think Trump is an idiot and I think Clinton lost because her negatives were really high. Also, it came out that she colluded with the DNC and the mainstream media to gain the nomination and that made enough Bernie supporters angry to change their vote or desire to participate. I find it hard to believe that Trump is a Russian target for control because he is such an idiot loudmouth that he cannot be controlled. So, it's hard to believe that he was or is a Russian stooge. Just give me some proof a$$ hole.

Trump does damage to the US's international standing simply by virtue of being a wildly incompetent President, but beyond that he has pursued a variety of pro-Russian policies that none of his competitors would from trying to ratchet down Russian sanctions, to weakening NATO, to running interference for Russian espionage against the US, to endorsing the Russian takeover of Crimea.

[_Maksutov]

McConnell deserves quite a lot of the blame as well.

[_Dr Exiled]

What do you want this board to do other than point out that Trump is a pederast?

- Doc

I don't worry what this board does or doesn't do. I just chimed in that I don't think Russia collusion has been proven yet. It may very well be, Trump might be the mafia don you compared him to, but at this point, I'd like to see more evidence. I'd like to see Mueller's report at the end of his investigation and hear from Trump regarding his side of the events, like normal legal proceedings. Let's see all of what Mueller has and let's then have Trump explain it, if he can, and if he can't, and it shows he should be impeached and convicted, then let's do that.

[_Jersey Girl]

I've wondered on this site why no one is looking into Trump's relationship with Epstein, the pedophile.

Poster produces two links to discussions of the above case.

Exiled's response?

I don't worry what this board does or doesn't do. I just chimed in that I don't think Russia collusion has been proven yet.

Behavior pattern much? And that's why these exchanges, much like those with Markk, continue to go around in circles resulting in well, nothing but circles. Both Markk and Exiled dismiss that which was initiated by them.

Have fun with that.

[_subgenius]

All of the above is equally true of subgenius, Bach and Ajax, and anyone else who still supports Trump.

Of course you do, because you suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

It is enormously perplexing. How does someone as pathologically dishonest, clearly misinformed on so many important issues, demonstrably corrupt and unabashedly self-serving as Trump inspire such blind, fanatical loyalty from so many?

Because most American adults understand that politicians talk and talk is cheap and mostly ignored because it seldom, if at all, has real meaning to American life. So while your hyperbole for blind and fanatical is more akin to Democrats, it should be noted that my lack of objection for Trump's "behavior" is because his policies supersede such trivial matters like paying a stripper or doing legitimate business with Russians, etc. The reality of the past 24 months far outweighs the fantasy you guys have of Trump being unpalatable. Its like moaning about Obama being a smoker, or JFK/Clinton for being adulterous, or LBJ for picking up a dog by the ears...offending your puritanical sensibilities are just not reason enough for me to subscribe to the wild fantasies of morons like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Pelosi.

They behave exactly like flat earthers.

Not really - that is a moronic analogy. We are the ones relying on evidence and you guys are founded firmly in emotion and superstition....the romance of the presidency has you in a cult-like pattern of behavior. Personally I don't look to the government for spiritual, moral, or private guidance...but meh, to each his own.

They constantly demand more evidence, which, when provided, is immediately dismissed as more lies and additional evidence of the dishonesty of their opponents. You just can't win with them.

There is a difference between demanding "more" evidence and demanding "actual" evidence...you need to provide some actual evidence of wrong-doing before you bring up any notion of "more". Like i said before, we have more evidence of Obama colluding with Putin and company than we do of Trump.

[_Dr Exiled]

Behavior pattern much? And that's why these exchanges, much like those with Markk, continue to go around in circles resulting in well, nothing but circles. Both Markk and Exiled dismiss that which was initiated by them.

Have fun with that.

Whether or not Trump is investigated about what he did with Epstein has nothing to do with this board. Mueller has the power to look into it but hasn't. I'd be interested if he did. So, where is this pattern?

Do you think I should just fall in line with all the other posters here and declare guilt now? The posters here believe there is enough to declare guilt and that is their opinion. I want to see a little more before I decide. We are just at the indictment stage right now and that is just the beginning to any criminal proceeding. In the criminal cases I usually take the "indictment" is in the form of a criminal information and it is just the start of the case. I then get the discovery from the prosecutor and then decide whether it is in my client's best interest to negotiate a plea or fight it. In Trump's case, Mueller is doing what the FBI does in getting plea deals with the underlings in hopes that they will turn against the bigger fish (Trump). We don't know everything that Cohen, Manafort, and others have been saying to Mueller. Also, Mueller is still investigating. So, I say let's just wait and see what happens.

[_Jersey Girl]

Oh Exiled, I made a living for 3 decades documenting behavior patterns. Your nonsense doesn't work with me.

I've wondered on this site why no one is looking into Trump's relationship with Epstein, the pedophile.

Poster produces two links to discussions of the above case.

Exiled's response?

I don't worry what this board does or doesn't do. I just chimed in that I don't think Russia collusion has been proven yet.

Behavior pattern much? And that's why these exchanges, much like those with Markk, continue to go around in circles resulting in well, nothing but circles. Both Markk and Exiled dismiss that which was initiated by them.

Have fun with that.

In reply, Exiled extracts ONE portion of my comments ignoring the rest and does this with it, enlarged emphasis is mine:

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Behavior pattern much? And that's why these exchanges, much like those with Markk, continue to go around in circles resulting in well, nothing but circles. Both Markk and Exiled dismiss that which was initiated by them.

Have fun with that.

Whether or not Trump is investigated about what he did with Epstein has nothing to do with this board. Mueller has the power to look into it but hasn't. I'd be interested if he did. So, where is this pattern?

Do you think I should just fall in line with all the other posters here and declare guilt now? The posters here believe there is enough to declare guilt and that is their opinion. I want to see a little more before I decide. We are just at the indictment stage right now and that is just the beginning to any criminal proceeding. In the criminal cases I usually take the "indictment" is in the form of a criminal information and it is just the start of the case. I then get the discovery from the prosecutor and then decide whether it is in my client's best interest to negotiate a plea or fight it. In Trump's case, Mueller is doing what the FBI does in getting plea deals with the underlings in hopes that they will turn against the bigger fish (Trump). We don't know everything that Cohen, Manafort, and others have been saying to Mueller. Also, Mueller is still investigating. So, I say let's just wait and see what happens.

See all that crap you wrote there? It's deflective noise. You ask where the behavior pattern is when I expressly identified it. In print. In front of your eyes. In the very quote you pulled out of context from the context of my post.

Here it is again. Try reading it this time.

Both Markk and Exiled dismiss that which was initiated by them.

Go wag some other dog, tail.

[_EAllusion]

Some Manafort defense documents were improperly redacted, giving reporters a better glimpse into the case. It includes juicy details like Manafort, then acting campaign manager for Donald Trump, sharing internal polling campaign data with Russian intelligence operatives in secret international meetings. You know, as one does.

(His defense doesn't dispute that he did this or that he misled Mueller when he said he didn't. It claims that he simply forgot. You know, as one does.)

[_Xenophon]

(His defense doesn't dispute that he did this or that he misled Mueller when he said he didn't. It claims that he simply forgot. You know, as one does.)

TBF, as dirty as he clearly is, it is probably easier to forget all the deception, lying, collusion and otherwise ethically questionable behavior. It is just your innocence privilege showing here.