Happy Valley Photo Essay

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Belmont

Apologists respond to behavior, though. If a FARMS review, as you say, puts the author down, we must remember that the author put the church and it's people down. So, in my opinion, it is you who place all the blame on those who respond to the behavior.

But hey, what do I know? All I see is a nearly-constant stream of DCP-hating threads from two or three posters here, and I wonder why.


What? Please tell me how the photo journal and accompanying essay put the church and it's people down.

No really, tell me.
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Kishkumen wrote:
MrStakhanovite wrote:I'd chuckle to myself, pick up my brandy snifter, and say, " Indeed, my good man. Indeed."


Indeed, my good man. Indeed.

(I was wearing my smoking jacket, slippers, and grasping my pipe while I reclined in my large leather chair as I wrote that. Just so you know.)


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Jersey Girl wrote:What? Please tell me how the photo journal and accompanying essay put the church and it's people down.

No really, tell me.


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I don't know if anyone noticed, but Dr. P. was apparently, finally battered into offering up a much calmer appraisal. He now admits that, yes, there are usually restrictions on doing things on the sabbath:

The captions also tend to make Mormons seem rather weirder, even, than in fact we are, and to paint with a very broad brush. The general Mormon rule about doing "sabbathy" things on the Sabbath, for example, which might entail -- as it does in my house -- minimizing or eliminating frivolous television (but maybe still allowing a worthwhile film or a serious news program or documentary or something of that sort, and certainly permitting general conference and Tabernacle Choir broadcasts and programs about Church history and the like) and not doing sports or parties or perhaps, as a kid, playing with friends, becomes, in the captions, a blanket ban on even VISITING friends (evidently even if they're in the hospital or are your assigned "home teaching family" or, as in my case, in your monthly Sunday-night reading group) and a flat Verbot against watching any television whatsoever.


Yes: I'm sure this long-winded description would have fit very nicely in the caption. That said, this really leaped out at me for some reason:

Dan Peterson wrote:The pictures are, in my opinion, okay as photography. Not terrible. But not particularly distinguished or memorable, either. (Sorry, but this is a comment section, and that's my honest reaction.) Moreover, the people in them are portrayed as very glum, which must represent a decision (for whatever reason) on the part of the photographer, and, whether this was intended or not, the general depiction tends to make them look rather like the rural poor in Appalachia. I would also say that the subjects of the photos come across as somewhat alien, as The Other.
(emphasis added)

Given some of Schryver's comments, this really struck me as being significant.
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Jersey Girl wrote:What? Please tell me how the photo journal and accompanying essay put the church and it's people down.

No really, tell me.


It didn't explicitly do that, no. I thought Kishkumen was talking about the FARMS reviews.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:Dearest Reverend: you simply must stop by to examine my newly acquired collection of incunabular French texts. I was so enthralled with them that I brought out a freshly polished monocle strictly for the occasion.


Delicious, Doctor! I hope it is liberally peppered with Latin phrases. I have been so hoping to work on my medieval French and Latin paleography simultaneously!
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I'm really interested to find out what "Fun For Family Night" or The Mormon Hierarchy books did to merit the "reviews" they got from FARMS. Or Rod Meldrum, for that matter. (Did Meldrum put the Church and its people down in some way? I must have missed that... He wasn't necessarily nice to the apologists, but I hardly see how the apologists = "the Church and its people.")
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Kishkumen wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:Dearest Reverend: you simply must stop by to examine my newly acquired collection of incunabular French texts. I was so enthralled with them that I brought out a freshly polished monocle strictly for the occasion.


Delicious, Doctor! I hope there it is liberally peppered with Latin phrases. I have been so hoping to work on my medieval French and Latin paleography simultaneously!


I must say Reverend, you latest article in PostMedival Journal on the 224A Fragment thought to belong to Abelard was fantastic. Your analysis brings much credit to your education acquired at BYU.
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MrStakhanovite wrote:I must say Reverend, you latest article in PostMedival Journal on the 224A Fragment thought to belong to Abelard was fantastic. Your analysis brings much credit to your education acquired at BYU.


Look buddy, until you come up with the word count, I can't take you seriously.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:I don't know if anyone noticed, but Dr. P. was apparently, finally battered into offering up a much calmer appraisal. He now admits that, yes, there are usually restrictions on doing things on the sabbath.


If that had been the initial response, we might have been saved a lot of needless verbiage. Live and learn.

Doctor Scratch wrote:Yes: I'm sure this long-winded description would have fit very nicely in the caption.


LOL.

Doctor Scratch wrote:
Dan Peterson wrote:Moreover, the people in them are portrayed as very glum, which must represent a decision (for whatever reason) on the part of the photographer, and, whether this was intended or not, the general depiction tends to make them look rather like the rural poor in Appalachia. I would also say that the subjects of the photos come across as somewhat alien, as The Other.
(emphasis added)

Given some of Schryver's comments, this really struck me as being significant.


Well, the two are perhaps in communication. More interesting to me is the fact that both take exception to the fact that Shumway's family is poor. This echoes the very clear class-oriented message implicit in most LDS advertising. It would have been OK if Shumway's family had been models with bleached, straight teeth, wearing broad smiles and dressed in L.L. Bean. As it is, these poor folk just make the Church look seedy. What a sad commentary and how very revealing.

We should let Shumway know that the next time he takes pictures of his family, he needs to have them switch wardrobes and real estate with the Mitt Romney family. Since he takes these photos every year, this will give him an opportunity to please the LDS apologists and patch things up with them.
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