DoubtingThomas wrote:"You can't give them back their innocence their youth"
WTF?!?!? The judge sounds like Moroni 9:9 (an extremely damaging verse for rape victims). The judge is doing even more psychological damage to the victims for saying that, she should be sent to jail too. She ain't no hero. Seriously what a dumb@$$ she is making things worst for the victims.
I encourage you to spend even one evening of your time viewing the victim impact statements on youtube. She is simply repeating what the victim's themselves said in their statements and echoed their statements back to Nassar and by doing so, let the victim's know that they were heard. She fully reinforced what the victims said to their abuser.
Make yourself watch this one from start to finish. All of it, DT. ALL of it.
Nassar again. I wanted to include here (and I'm too tired right now to dig up links) that:
The USOC has issued a public apology. The MSU president has just today resigned. USA Gymnastics Chairman, vice-chairman and treasurer, all resigned in disgrace.
These were among the folks that Aly Raisman and others called out when delivering their victim impact statements.
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Jersey Girl wrote:I encourage you to spend even one evening of your time viewing the victim impact statements on youtube. She is simply repeating what the victim's themselves said in their statements and echoed their statements back to Nassar and by doing so, let the victim's know that they were heard. She fully reinforced what the victims said to their abuser.
Make yourself watch this one from start to finish. All of it, DoubtingThomas. ALL of it.
I didn't know, thanks for letting me know Jersey Girl.
But still, the judge shouldn't have reinforced the feeling that innocence and youth were taken away forever. For example, if someone dies you won't tell his family members "he is gone forever, you won't see him ever again". Those words can do more damage and don't help. Any psychology experts here?
DoubtingThomas wrote:But still, the judge shouldn't have reinforced the feeling that innocence and youth were taken away forever. For example, if someone dies you won't tell his family members "he is gone forever, you won't see him ever again". Those words can do more damage and don't help. Any psychology experts here?
So that is exactly what I meant.
I think you might be surprised by how much the victims here appreciated the judge's willingness to acknowledge and validate their pain and suffering, you can find a lot of their comments pretty easily. Remember many of the victims own testimonies pointed out that they felt like they had been robbed of these things by Nassar. It is probably also worth noting that many of these victims attempts at reporting Nassar were met with a blind eye or in some cases being made to feel like they were the problem. Given that it is widely understood that acknowledging a victims pain and suffering (especially from the perpetrator) is an important step in the healing process and since Nassar seems wholy unrepentant of his crimes it is good that at least the judge can do her part.
You're right that you wouldn't say "he is gone forever" but you probably also wouldn't say "oh he isn't actually dead". There has to be some acceptance of what actually happened in order to move on.
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I wonder how long that dude is going to last in prison... I couldn't imagine the guilt most of those parents feel having brought their children to their abuser. I can't even wrap my mind around that.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I wonder how long that dude is going to last in prison... I couldn't imagine the guilt most of those parents feel having brought their children to their abuser. I can't even wrap my mind around that.
- Doc
I think he should be placed on suicide watch right this minute. If I am not mistaken, Ariel Castro (the Ohio guy who trapped those girls) was on suicide watch when he hung himself.
So there's no guarantee. I think that Nassar at least attempting suicide is pretty much a sure thing.
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Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
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David Copperfield accused of sexual assault and the punishment for a false rape accusation is just "community service"
" Carroll was later arrested and charged with making a false statement to police in December 2009 after she claimed a different man raped her. Carroll later pleaded guilty and was sentenced to community service in that case, the Seattle Times reported." http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/dav ... d=52599803
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I wonder how long that dude is going to last in prison... I couldn't imagine the guilt most of those parents feel having brought their children to their abuser. I can't even wrap my mind around that.
- Doc
I think he should be placed on suicide watch right this minute. If I am not mistaken, Ariel Castro (the Ohio guy who trapped those girls) was on suicide watch when he hung himself.
So there's no guarantee. I think that Nassar at least attempting suicide is pretty much a sure thing.
Personally, I would like to give him a Today is the first day of the rest of your life poster
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