A Meltdown of Epic Proportions

[_Jersey Girl]

Just for general purposes, I had no plans to discuss the Cafeteria on this board, but after reading some of the responses, I felt compelled to do so in an effort to set the record straight for myself and for others who might not have all the "pieces" such as our dear stemelbow who isn't aware of the backstory.

stem

Keep in mind, scratch, this thread never would have been possible without you sitting ready to whimper and whine about the man you love to whimper and whine about. Nor would it have been possible if you weren't trying to provoke him by employing that sig line.

stem you are simply wrong. Scratch has carried assualt rifle comments as a sig line for quite some time now. The assault rifle comments originated with DCP himself.

DCP carries one of Scratch's statements as his own sig line on the Cafeteria. Take a look at that.

The only person who could have prevented this OP from seeing the light of day/screen is DCP. There was no need whatsoever for him to post these OP's on MD&D and the Cafeteria.

When he was contacted by Will S. he could have simply asked Will S. for a link to the thread in question or he could have re-registered on this board and done it himself.

But he didn't.

Instead of asking Will to do this for him, he put it out to the posters of two boards to do.

You cannot rightly blame this on Scratch when DCP who claims to have departed this board continues to engage it on two other boards.

Again, the disclaimer: I am not posting in support of Scratch nor am I posting in staunch opposition to DCP. They each play their part. I am simply commenting on this particular situation and evaluating it as I see it.

[_sock puppet]

Cam's burr up his butt has to do with the following:

1. He thinks I have moderated his posts unfairly, and that his suspensions in the past were unjustified. To this I say, too bad. Shades supported my decision. You want me removed as a Moderator? Take it up with Shades.

2. He thinks I'm a hypocrite. He is entitled to his opinion. I think he is an asshole. We are both entitled to our opinions.

Far be it from me to agree with Cam, but the moderation here is starting to get biased. Liz can use the word asshole all she wants. Yet when I use the word, it goes straight to telestial. By the way, this is the third time that something like this has happened to me.

Power corrupts. It's the nature of the beast. That's why term limits are a good thing.

[_sock puppet]

Hello,

Lest I let Dream Team speak for me...

My "burr up my butt" is this:

1) Liz is a temple recommend holding Mormon woman. She likes to engage in playful S&M imagery & swear on the Internet. I don't think that's how a Daughter of our Heavenly Father acts IAW Mormon doctrine.

2) Liz is a 5th Columnist playing both sides, and sows dischord while trying to appear to be this really cool chick. She's not, and she wages a campaign of subterfuge and backstabbing via PM, and now by having started her own board. She's neither a true Mormon nor is she a committed apostate. She has a foot in both doors and enjoys messing with both sides.

The above-mentioned two items are reason why thinks it's a horrible decision to keep her as a Moderator.

Plus she's an asshole.

V/R
DR> C

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFhWSbU7vtw

The Cam dislikes someone who is 'neither hot nor cold'? You spit out of your mouth that which is lukewarm?

[_Yoda]

If I may be allowed a brief interjection - again I observe how much people differ in their tastes.

For me, friends are something in real life. An anonymous message board is something utterly different from real life. It can be a refreshing opportunity to move into a world where (if one chooses to act that way) nothing matters but the strength of one's arguments and the quality of one's evidence. Who you are, what your job is, and what your qualifications are count for nothing, if you so choose. As they say:



I'll basically go anywhere where I can find free discussion, with the minimum of moderation to ensure threads are not grossly derailed without the imposition of ideologically based censorship. I suppose I can see the point if a board limited to those with a particular shared experience, such as recovering from alcoholism, or from Mormonism, for that matter (though that latter has proved difficult to make work fairly by all accounts). A board just for NOMs seems interesting too, for NOMs that is. If I was a NOM, which I am not, I might however have some doubts about a board which demanded the extra qualification of being the friend of a particular person. But what does it matter what I think?

I guess that everyone utilizes the Internet for different purposes. Seeing how you utilize the Internet, I can see why a board like mine would be so foreign to you.

I don't view usage of the Internet in the same way. The Internet, for me, is simply another means of communication, like the telephone. Whether I communicate with friends via text, Internet, phone, etc., it is still communication...simply another medium.

I simply established a board where friends could come together and converse about various issues, via the Internet. To me, that seems perfectly natural. You mention that you would not want to be a member of a board where you "had to be friendly with the administrator of the board".

Let me ask you this. Would you want to be involved in a social gathering where you were not friends with the people there? If it were me, the answer would be no. I would feel very uncomfortable.

I guess I view my board the same way. I created it as simply a gathering place for friends...my friends...who have some common interests. That is really all there is to it. It has been blown up into some huge conspiracy. That is the last thing I wanted to happen. That was the main reason I had not publicized it, and why it was privatized to begin with. Don't forget. We were quietly going about our business, in our own little corner of the Internet...on a URL that is purposely not easily searchable. Had Scratch not publicized my site to begin with...NONE of this would have ever happened.

[_Jason Bourne]

Hello,

Lest I let Dream Team speak for me...

My "burr up my butt" is this:

1) Liz is a temple recommend holding Mormon woman. She likes to engage in playful S&M imagery & swear on the Internet. I don't think that's how a Daughter of our Heavenly Father acts IAW Mormon doctrine.

Ok but what do you care? Are you her bishop? Do you live the standards you want to apply to her? At least on this board she judges nobody else for their choices regarding life, religion and God.

2) Liz is a 5th Columnist playing both sides, and sows dischord while trying to appear to be this really cool chick. She's not, and she wages a campaign of subterfuge and backstabbing via PM, and now by having started her own board. She's neither a true Mormon nor is she a committed apostate. She has a foot in both doors and enjoys messing with both sides.

Liz is living her religion and life like she see fit and best for her and her family. I allow anyone that right. As for PMs and subterfuge I have not seen any of that so cannot opine. My experience with Liz here and on her new board has been nothing but pleasant. I see no subterfuge or backstabbing by starting a new board? Who cares?

People take message boards far to seriously. And like I tell my teen daughter, try not to say things through a computer that you would not say face to face.

The above-mentioned two items are reason why thinks it's a horrible decision to keep her as a Moderator.

Not my decision so talk to the good Doctor.

Plus she's an asshole.

Not in my experience.

[_Jersey Girl]

Jason,

Cam is merely harrassing the crap out of Liz on account of sour grapes. He does this repeatedly to female posters because they can make him look like the simple minded ass that he is. He doesn't have anything left in his intellectual tools but to swing insults at this.

Never go to intellectual war with an unarmed man. All he's got left in his little fox hole is a handful of dirt to throw.

[_Jason Bourne]

DCP has put Liz in a difficult position. Shortly after she announced on her board that she was feeling ill and that she intended to take a break, he was busy waving his hands about in a panic due to "persecution" from Scottie and Timpanogos. Then he goes on to say that the only way he'll ever behave civilly is if Liz tells him to. In other words, everyone else is wrong about his crummy attitude, and the only way he's going to listen is if Liz herself steps up and scolds him, in which case, he'll pack up his stuff and leave.

in my opinion, this is really rather abusive behavior, but that's what Dan so often does with people. He befriends them and then sets up all these conditions where he'll screw them over if he doesn't get his way. In this case, what is Liz supposed to do? (His claims about not carrying grudges are demonstrably untrue.) If she tries to intervene directly with him, he'll throw a conniption fit and then she surely knows that she'll be set up as a target of his for possibly years to come. I know that there are a lot of TBMs, even, who've been fed up with DCP but they won't say anything because (a) they think that it would be like talking to a brick wall, and/or (b) they fear retribution from him and his cadre of thuggish Mopologist cronies.

What TBMS do you know fed up with Peterson?

It is Liz's board. I doubt she has the take you do but if she does not want to discuss that here I certainly don't blame her.

Really this is more over the top hyperbole. And by the way it seems mostly what started most of all this is your sig line. Maybe Peterson should have just ignored it. He does seem to struggle with ignoring such things. But you putting it in your sig seems to show you really are not able to leave DCP alone.

[_Jason Bourne]

Well it all turned out real lovely for Dan. He would look foolish to directly come back here, and the highlighting of Scratch's major violation to him of late (eyeroll) the unspeakable signature assault, was quickly locked down on MAD. Apparently he is losing his co-dependants ability to fight his battles from there.

He must have giggled in delight when Liz announced the setting of the board public. Its back to business as usual, only better … He can continue with his viscous ad hominem attacks in this rich new playground of supposed NOM centric discussion, in the full view and praise of the TBM world. While also rating 1 of the 6 closest friends, mentionable by name by Liz in "The Future of the Board" thread. Only Liz will ever be able to moderate Dan, if it were to ever come to that.

Better even than the new playground is his new podium from which he can now volley his shots at Scratch with no ability for direct interaction by Scratch. This must be orgasmic for the passive aggressive Dan we all know and love.

Where fools rush in, all the while, donut boy securely tucked under the protection of Liz's skirt.

It's like Christmas for Dan, only better

Really? I think some of you are flat out nuts in your judgement. How about it is more like this. As Liz said, she likes Dan, she asked him to join the board. He likes her and some of the other posters there. I was invited to post there. I like Dan. I am glad he is there. He add interest to the board. He could add it here if so many you would stop treating the man like a piece of poo. Dan can give as good as he gets sure. But I see him being quite decent with those who are decent with him. The characterization you paint is simply one of your own fantasies. Yours and others here as well.

[_sock puppet]

liz, perhaps a simple rule that discussion on your board of MDB and those posters at MDB not also registered at thecafeteria are off limits would 'upright your ship'. It seems that two of your mods there, Scottie and Jersey Girl, perceive that to be a problem, and it would be in keeping with your NOM purpose for your board. I would expect those two mods would be vigilant in enforcing such a rule if it was added.

I imagine you've considered this notion already--if not a hundred times--and have your reasons for not enacting it, but I thought I'd mention it.

[_RockSlider]

Jersey Girl,

Fully understand your previous post. Please do not think/feel I'm taking any shots at you ... I am not. You have proven a friend to not only Liz but to me. Much appreciated.

Just for general purposes, I had no plans to discuss the Cafeteria on this board

I'm not so likely to be inclinded this way ... its now public and should be a two way street.