'The LDS Church tracks about 6,500 anti-LDS Web sites'

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Phaedrus Ut wrote:Only recently I started tracking visits to my blog. It's not a public blog but mostly a exercise in writing for me and recording time, events, my thoughts etc..

Well ever since I started doing this the most common vistor to my blog is . . . . . dun dun duummm! The downtown headquarters for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Maybe 1 out of 5 posts is anything related to the church or me being Mormon. Very strange in my opinion.


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I have really got to start a blog site of my own,....but especially knowing what I have learned from this board
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MormonMendacity wrote:
Roger Morrison wrote:I'm beginning to have respect for LDSism, and Religion in general, as a genre of choice in the broad spectrum of philosophy, entertainment, amusement, arts, past-times (like forum lurking:-) that satisfies individual wants and needs. "Truth" plays little in comfort, feeling good, and being satisfied.

I think a possible missing element in your assessment are those who are indoctrinated into all or part of these philosopies before they have a chance to make a reasonable assessment as to the worth these things will have for them.

There is where my major problems arose -- and I suspect many who left the church(es) feel the same way. If it is drilled into your head that there are dire consequences for failing to follow these philosophies -- and yet you still want to follow "truth" -- you can be left with very traumatic experiences as you seek to understand, balance, choose, reject and guide the essesence of your life.

RM: This could be self-defeating on the LDS part. My church of childhood was a place of fond memories, good lessons and NO coersion/intimidation. AS i look back they accepted the reality of Teen-Rebelion as little but a stage in personal developement. Fundies, LDS are them :-) on the other hand tend to see it as the road to ruin. Not enlightened on their part.

I do not begrudge those who want religion in their lives. What I have come to resent more is the wholesale marketing of these philosophies using fear, uncertainty, doubt and very poor reasoning.

RM: More Institutional unenlightenment. Reveals their place in the stupid-line.

Roger Morrison wrote:Truth seekers (or Dancers ;-) will find little but frustration, or fun depending on their psyche, probing religion for ultimate truth. One product in the show case is as good as another to the person who chooses "theirs". (my emphasis)

That's the rub and the distinction between rational people standing in front of the cornucopia of philosophies and "choosing" the philosophy that suites them, and those who are only getting selected information fed to them...they may not even see the Cornucopia of Knowledge but just the selected portions being fed to them by those with a vested interest.

Isn't it wonderful to be unleashed!?! What is the likely hood of such fundamentalism giving way to intelligence and sensibility--in the near/distant future?

Roger Morrison wrote:Enjoy the Season, in whatever light You perceive it... Warm regards, Roger

Best to you, too.

And to you again!
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Re: 'The LDS Church tracks about 6,500 anti-LDS Web sites'

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Dr. Shades wrote:BYU--or some division of it--has proposed a business plan to help the church. It's goal is akin to the More Good Foundation, that of getting pro-LDS links to the top of all search results pages. You can see the link to the proposal here.

Their outline states, in part, that "the LDS Church tracks about 6,500 anti-LDS Web sites." So much for the FAIRites' denials thereunto. Big Brother, anyone?

At any rate, there are two more utterly priceless quotes in that article. Can you find them?


I just clicked on the link above, and there is now an article on Neal Maxwell. Does anyone have a direct link to the article Shades is referencing here?

I ask, because I am interested in determining what is meant by "tracking". I suspect that it means something different from what the many naysayers suppose on this thread.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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I wonder how much the people that find all these Anti-Sites are paid???

I wonder how many hours a day they spend watching everything on the Internet???

I wonder if they work in shifts or together in the same room at the same time, and everytime they find another Anti thing
they jump up and down slap each other on the back and pass the rootbeer around??

Are they all men tracking down anti stuff or are women allowed in this hunt as well??

Are they using the same software to track down anti stuff as the government has been using to track down the TERRORISTS??/

Cause the Terrorists are not being tracked but we are hmmmmm

Very, very interesting???
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I think Jason is right. I'd say most missionaries spend most of their time with the poor. Yet Shades has a point as well. I always like to point out that the first language that the Church used to proselyte in South America was not Spanish nor Portuguese, but German. I guess they knew where the money was, or more importantly where it wasn't, and might create a very dangerous and unfavorable osmotic shift of resources during a tender time for the upstart Church.

You'll probably find TBMs divided on this issue. Bishops and especially branch presidents are every Sunday complaining about what the missionaries drag to Church, while mission presidents quietly and euphemistically admit that they need the numbers. I remember one bishop tried to make the low income housing complexes off limits to missionaries. Did I ever mention that two sister missionaries facilitated the baptism of a Gyspy man in Portugal and the Mission President was so upset he almost sent the sisters home early. The mission president had reason to be concerned. Such actions had inactivated entire districts of previously faithful members in the past. As of now I think any Gypsy wanting to baptized in the Church requires a First Presidency interview simply because he's a gypsy or of gypsy origin.

Documentation? Sorry can't help you, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true and I share it with you because I got a laugh out of it all. Maybe some of the European RMs could fill us in as to whether my claims would be substantiated.
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ajax18 wrote:I think Jason is right. I'd say most missionaries spend most of their time with the poor. Yet Shades has a point as well. I always like to point out that the first language that the Church used to proselyte in South America was not Spanish nor Portuguese, but German. I guess they knew where the money was, or more importantly where it wasn't, and might create a very dangerous and unfavorable osmotic shift of resources during a tender time for the upstart Church.

You'll probably find TBMs divided on this issue. Bishops and especially branch presidents are every Sunday complaining about what the missionaries drag to Church, while mission presidents quietly and euphemistically admit that they need the numbers. I remember one bishop tried to make the low income housing complexes off limits to missionaries. Did I ever mention that two sister missionaries facilitated the baptism of a Gyspy man in Portugal and the Mission President was so upset he almost sent the sisters home early. The mission president had reason to be concerned. Such actions had inactivated entire districts of previously faithful members in the past. As of now I think any Gypsy wanting to baptized in the Church requires a First Presidency interview simply because he's a gypsy or of gypsy origin.

Documentation? Sorry can't help you, but I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true and I share it with you because I got a laugh out of it all. Maybe some of the European RMs could fill us in as to whether my claims would be substantiated.


Why? What's wrong with Gypsies?
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Re: 'The LDS Church tracks about 6,500 anti-LDS Web sites'

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wenglund wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:BYU--or some division of it--has proposed a business plan to help the church. It's goal is akin to the More Good Foundation, that of getting pro-LDS links to the top of all search results pages. You can see the link to the proposal here.

Their outline states, in part, that "the LDS Church tracks about 6,500 anti-LDS Web sites." So much for the FAIRites' denials thereunto. Big Brother, anyone?

At any rate, there are two more utterly priceless quotes in that article. Can you find them?


I just clicked on the link above, and there is now an article on Neal Maxwell. Does anyone have a direct link to the article Shades is referencing here?

I ask, because I am interested in determining what is meant by "tracking". I suspect that it means something different from what the many naysayers suppose on this thread.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

They have replaced the URL with the Maxwell link. I wonder why?

Here is what it said.
Create a Business Plan to Help LDS Church

“Our foundation needs help to create a business plan or fundraising. The project is to use the Internet to 1) drive down the enemies of the Church off prominent search pages, and 2) use the Internet as a missionary tool. The business plan will be placed in front of major potential donors. Here is an overview of the project and request. Thanks for your help.”

Larry Barkdull, president
Latter-day Foundation for the Arts, Education and Humanity
(801)427-2193
lwb224 AT msn.com

The Latter-day Foundation for the Arts, Education and Humanity was formed in 1990 to help promote LDS arts and artists. Later, its purpose was expanded to assist with educational and humanitarian efforts. Recently, the foundation has become actively involved with Internet missionary initiatives to (1) drive down Church enemies from prominent search engine positions and (2) teach the gospel of Jesus Christ via the Internet. Our initiative is called “Flooding the Internet with Truth.”

Introduction

A recent “conservative” advice columnist on MSN.com recommended premarital sex to a young virgin: “If you are sure you are in a long-term relationship, why not?”
A missionary in England reported his “golden” contact excitedly consulting the Internet about Mormons after the first discussion. The investigator found a mountain of anti-Mormon material and immediately cancelled all future appointments with the missionaries.

Need

At present, the Internet has few conservative, moral voices that are willing to combat immorality and anti-Mormon sentiments. The LDS Church tracks about 6,500 anti-LDS Web sites in the English language, whose content dominates search results. Thousands more dominate search engine positions in other languages. Potential converts are abandoning the missionaries once they consult the Internet for more information. (Emphasis added.) Only vast quantities of positive material, correctly optimized, can resolve this problem. We cannot drive the enemies of the Church off the Internet, but we can displace their prominent positions. Moreover, millions of people are not Christians, but need Christ introduced to them. Much of the present information about Christ on the Internet is either embarrassing or inaccurate. Finally, as the world grows increasingly more dangerous, middle- and upper-class people are retreating to gated communities, places that are difficult for missionaries to enter. How can we reach these people? Through their computers.

We need a network of conservative information that:
• Points readers to moral, Christian principles
• Offers clear-cut information on LDS members and their doctrines
• Scientifically presents material in a way that displaces immoral and anti-LDS material on search engines.

Solution

During the last three years, we have worked with Church departments and potential content providers to identify the problem and construct a solution strategy. We work closely with the More Good Foundation to gather information about in-danger keyword searches, which tells us where content needs to be placed, and how it should be optimized and published. We have created two initial Web sites, and we are in the process of creating a network of gospel-oriented sites.

Projected results

We took random samples of mainstay Christian and LDS terms and researched their monthly searches. The resulting audience was enormous—over 4 million. We can apply the same tools and science that professional e-commerce sites incorporate to make money and use them to defend the Church and teach the gospel. We believe we can reach millions of people. Our call to action is (1) ask for a free copy of the Book of Mormon, (2) order free Church materials (DVDs, pamphlets, etc.), and (3) request the missionaries.

We interviewed former mission presidents about convert-to-missionary contact ratios. The results were these: basically 30,000 companionships will each contact about 100 people per month or 3 million people. Of that number, 25,000 people are baptized each month—less than 1% of the number contacted. Our goal is to publish vast amounts of positive content and place it strategically where millions of monthly searches—“contacts”—can occur. An interesting mathematical exercise (using industry standards for Internet readership “captures” as compared to convert-to-missionary contact ratios) suggests that the Internet can greatly increase positive awareness of the Church and become an incredible missionary tool.


So. What does it mean?
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From the above post bold insertions by me...
Create a Business Plan to Help LDS Church

“Our foundation needs help to create a business plan or fundraising. The project is to use the Internet to 1) drive down the enemies of the Church off prominent search pages, and 2) use the Internet as a missionary tool. The business plan will be placed in front of major potential donors. Here is an overview of the project and request. Thanks for your help.”

"...needs help...fundraising...Thanks for your help." This sounds like a scam to blike naïve TBMs???

Larry Barkdull, president
Latter-day Foundation for the Arts, Education and Humanity
(801)427-2193
lwb224 AT msn.com Who and what is Larry B. other than Pres of this foundation??

The Latter-day Foundation for the Arts, Education and Humanity was formed in 1990 to help promote LDS arts and artists. Later, its purpose was expanded to assist with educational and humanitarian efforts. Recently, the foundation has become actively involved with Internet missionary initiatives to (1) drive down Church enemies from prominent search engine positions and (2) teach the gospel of Jesus Christ via the Internet. Our initiative is called “Flooding the Internet with Truth.”

How successful was/is this group in their initial endeavor re "arts and artists"?
Introduction

A recent “conservative” advice columnist on MSN.com recommended premarital sex to a young virgin: “If you are sure you are in a long-term relationship, why not?” Must have been a no-news-day?
A missionary in England reported his “golden” contact excitedly consulting the Internet about Mormons after the first discussion. The investigator found a mountain of anti-Mormon material and immediately cancelled all future appointments with the missionaries. Fool's gold?

Need

At present, the Internet has few conservative, moral voices that are willing to combat immorality and anti-Mormon sentiments. The LDS Church tracks about 6,500 anti-LDS Web sites in the English language, whose content dominates search results. Thousands more dominate search engine positions in other languages. Potential converts are abandoning the missionaries once they consult the Internet for more information. (Emphasis added.) Only vast quantities of positive material, correctly optimized, can resolve this problem. We cannot drive the enemies of the Church off the Internet, but we can displace their prominent positions. Moreover, millions of people are not Christians, but need Christ introduced to them. Much of the present information about Christ on the Internet is either embarrassing or inaccurate. Finally, as the world grows increasingly more dangerous, middle- and upper-class people are retreating to gated communities, places that are difficult for missionaries to enter. How can we reach these people? Through their computers.

And make LDSism look more absurd than ever! Might the world be getting smarter? A natural barrier to misinformation, superstition and quackery!

We need a network of conservative information that:
• Points readers to moral, Christian principles There are thousands doing that at the moment!
• Offers clear-cut information on LDS members and their doctrines Is Christianism or Mormonism the focus?
• Scientifically presents material in a way that displaces immoral and anti-LDS material on search engines.

"Scientifically...in a way..." Really? Truth distortion, brain washing, spinning, subliminal flashes??

Solution

During the last three years, we have worked with Church departments and potential content providers to identify the problem and construct a solution strategy. We work closely with the More Good Foundation to gather information about in-danger keyword searches, which tells us where content needs to be placed, and how it should be optimized and published. We have created two initial Web sites, and we are in the process of creating a network of gospel-oriented sites.

What "Church depts & ...content providers"? "...gospel-oriented sites? More sites to frequent for us, eh?
Projected results

We took random samples of mainstay Christian and LDS terms and researched their monthly searches. The resulting audience was enormous—over 4 million. We can apply the same tools and science that professional e-commerce sites incorporate to make money and use them to defend the Church and teach the gospel. We believe we can reach millions of people. Our call to action is (1) ask for a free copy of the Book of Mormon, (2) order free Church materials (DVDs, pamphlets, etc.), and (3) request the missionaries. Busy work? How productive? How profitable for the "Foundation"?

We interviewed former mission presidents about convert-to-missionary contact ratios. The results were these: basically 30,000 companionships will each contact about 100 people per month or 3 million people. Of that number, 25,000 people are baptized each month—less than 1% of the number contacted. Interesting stats. If true they certainly beg many questions and much analysis! Our goal is to publish vast amounts of positive content and place it strategically where millions of monthly searches—“contacts”—can occur. An interesting mathematical exercise (using industry standards for Internet readership “captures” as compared to convert-to-missionary contact ratios) suggests that the Internet can greatly increase positive awareness of the Church and become an incredible missionary tool. And too, it can and will be more negative than positive. Net folks are generally better educated--ask questions, want 'answers' not "testimonies"
Sounds like an "Edsel" to me. To be taken seriously? Hardly!



The term, "The Church" gets brandished about rather loosely at times, and by some who sense it as a buzz-word to evoke whatever...

I will be surprised BIG-TIME to find the church affiliated with this scam. Possibly as a fact finder but not as a proselitizing means. It would be a shot in their foot, IMSCO. Roger
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Post by _truth dancer »

Hi Roger... ;-)

Actually the article was posted on CEO/BYU, a very legitimate organization at BYU. I think it is strange that the article was taken down with no evidence of it ever existing (at least that I could find). Other recent posts are listed but not this particular article.

Anyway, while it is not "the church" I'm fairly certain it has the backing of the church, involvement of the brethren, and is funded (at least in part) by church resources (since it is sponsored by BYU).

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Post by _Infymus »

If you noticed, the article they removed and replaced with is from Maxwell - but it is all about repentence.

This is a tactic that the FAIR boards used (read Allen Wyatt). When they saw that we were looking at the page, they changed it.

FAIR redirected boards like RFM, et all to the same kind of thing.
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