Do TBM's worship garments?

[_Scottie]

When I was a TBM, anything to do with the temple was to be treated with the utmost secrecy and "respect". I NEVER talked about what happened in there. Divulging my new name was about the most horrific thing I could do. And, of course, throwing your garments on the floor or treating them with anything but the greatest amount of respect is severely frowned upon by God. Why, even wearing garments with holes is considered disrespectful.

Do you believe this has crossed the line from respect to a level of worship?

Do you really think that at the judgement day, God will say to you, "Well, everything looks pretty good. You lived a good life, you served others, you.......hmmmmmm.....what's this?? Not only did you wear holey garments......ha ha ha...get it, holey...holy....brummppp....Not only did you wear holey garments, but you threw them on the FLOOR??? I'm sorry, but entry to the CK is denied."

Thoughts?

Scottie, I'm curious. What was the impetus for starting this thread?

Do you really know TBM's who take garment wearing to this extreme in their thought patterns?

I guess my husband is going to outer darkness because he has quite a few pairs of garments that are close to threadbare. LOL

It's always amazing to me that people can really take some of these things to the extreme.

Well, if you must delve into the thought processes of my deranged mind, I was thinking about Moses and the golden calf. I wondered to myself, when Moses came down, the Israelites were worshipping the golden calf. I wonder what worshipping it meant? Does it mean they prayed to it? Or did they simply believe it to be a man made object that held the power of God that demanded complete obedience and respect? Hmmm...sounds kind of like garments..."

I later read more about it and in the Bible it says that they made the calf to be a God for them. So, no, garments don't really have a 1:1 correlation with the Golden Calf. LDS certainly don't believe that garments are any kind of God, just that they hold the power of God.

More than anything, I was trying to get a sense of where the line is between respect and worship. Sure, we respect the flag, but we don't fear damnation if we dis-respect it. Does fear of vengeful punishment from God cross that line from respect to worship?

Perhaps a better question would be, "Do you believe that garments are a graven image or an idol?"

[_Nephi]

When I was a TBM, anything to do with the temple was to be treated with the utmost secrecy and "respect". I NEVER talked about what happened in there. Divulging my new name was about the most horrific thing I could do. And, of course, throwing your garments on the floor or treating them with anything but the greatest amount of respect is severely frowned upon by God. Why, even wearing garments with holes is considered disrespectful.

Do you believe this has crossed the line from respect to a level of worship?

Do you really think that at the judgement day, God will say to you, "Well, everything looks pretty good. You lived a good life, you served others, you.......hmmmmmm.....what's this?? Not only did you wear holey garments......ha ha ha...get it, holey...holy....brummppp....Not only did you wear holey garments, but you threw them on the FLOOR??? I'm sorry, but entry to the CK is denied."

Thoughts?

Scottie, I'm curious. What was the impetus for starting this thread?

Do you really know TBM's who take garment wearing to this extreme in their thought patterns?

I guess my husband is going to outer darkness because he has quite a few pairs of garments that are close to threadbare. LOL

It's always amazing to me that people can really take some of these things to the extreme.

Well, if you must delve into the thought processes of my deranged mind, I was thinking about Moses and the golden calf. I wondered to myself, when Moses came down, the Israelites were worshipping the golden calf. I wonder what worshipping it meant? Does it mean they prayed to it? Or did they simply believe it to be a man made object that held the power of God that demanded complete obedience and respect? Hmmm...sounds kind of like garments..."

I later read more about it and in the Bible it says that they made the calf to be a God for them. So, no, garments don't really have a 1:1 correlation with the Golden Calf. LDS certainly don't believe that garments are any kind of God, just that they hold the power of God.

More than anything, I was trying to get a sense of where the line is between respect and worship. Sure, we respect the flag, but we don't fear damnation if we dis-respect it. Does fear of vengeful punishment from God cross that line from respect to worship?

Perhaps a better question would be, "Do you believe that garments are a graven image or an idol?"

Define Graven Image and Idol.

[_The Nehor]

Well, if you must delve into the thought processes of my deranged mind, I was thinking about Moses and the golden calf. I wondered to myself, when Moses came down, the Israelites were worshipping the golden calf. I wonder what worshipping it meant? Does it mean they prayed to it? Or did they simply believe it to be a man made object that held the power of God that demanded complete obedience and respect? Hmmm...sounds kind of like garments..."

I later read more about it and in the Bible it says that they made the calf to be a God for them. So, no, garments don't really have a 1:1 correlation with the Golden Calf. LDS certainly don't believe that garments are any kind of God, just that they hold the power of God.

More than anything, I was trying to get a sense of where the line is between respect and worship. Sure, we respect the flag, but we don't fear damnation if we dis-respect it. Does fear of vengeful punishment from God cross that line from respect to worship?

Perhaps a better question would be, "Do you believe that garments are a graven image or an idol?"

I think how they viewed the calf depended on the person. Aaron seems to have seen it as a compromise and tried to make it a symbol for Jehovah and then followed the correct method of sacrificing before it/him. God does not seem opposed to symbols but he can't stand their misuse. Later he had the Ark built. Eventually though it descended in the people's minds from being a symbol of God to being an item of magic god-power and they took it to war to ensure victory and lost badly.

It's possible to turn the Garment into a false god and rely on it for protection. Same thing with the Temple and just about anything else. I don't see it as a chronic problem.

[_Scottie]

Define Graven Image and Idol.

Good question. Do garments fit this category?

I've heard some LDS say that Catholics worship graven images because they wear crosses. How are garments much different?

[_The Nehor]

Define Graven Image and Idol.

Good question. Do garments fit this category?

I've heard some LDS say that Catholics worship graven images because they wear crosses. How are garments much different?

Those LDS are morons.

[_Scottie]

Define Graven Image and Idol.

Good question. Do garments fit this category?

I've heard some LDS say that Catholics worship graven images because they wear crosses. How are garments much different?

Those LDS are morons.

I can't argue that point...

[_gramps]

Define Graven Image and Idol.

Good question. Do garments fit this category?

I've heard some LDS say that Catholics worship graven images because they wear crosses. How are garments much different?

Those LDS are morons.

I can't argue that point...

Gosh, then there are a lot of moronic Mormons, aren't there? (rhetorical question--no need to answer the obvious)

I heard that growing up all the time. And on my mission, as well.

[_The Nehor]

Gosh, then there are a lot of moronic Mormons, aren't there? (rhetorical question--no need to answer the obvious)

I heard that growing up all the time. And on my mission, as well.

There are a lot of morons period.

[_gramps]

Gosh, then there are a lot of moronic Mormons, aren't there? (rhetorical question--no need to answer the obvious)

I heard that growing up all the time. And on my mission, as well.

There are a lot of morons period.

That is a given, for sure. Mormons don't have a monopoly on that.