Cognitive Dissonance -- It Sucks

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_KimberlyAnn
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charity wrote:
the road to hana wrote:
How do you know they don't post on discussion boards? How do you know what their lives are like intimately?


That's an interesting concept. There are a couple who have continued on as friends. When we talk, if I mention being in the temple last week, they don't recoil in horror or start laughing behind their hands. It is hard for me to imagine that they have their nice, friendly faces on with me, and then go on an anti-message board and assume a whole different persona.

I can tell you people, what you see here is who I am. I don't put on a different personality when I go out the door.


You are way out in left field, Charity.

My longtime neighbor is a Mormon. We used to be in the same ward.

When I left the church, she told me my home was covered in a "black shroud of evil" and that she couldn't stand to even look at it! I was still kind to her even though she was shunning me. Her husband lost his job, and I anonymously sent her gift cards for groceries, even though at the time she wouldn't let her children play with mine! She thought the gift cards were from someone in the ward. To this day, two years later, I've never told her differently.

She eventually needed a babysitter badly enough that she asked me to watch her children. Thankfully, she learned that though I am an apostate, I am still a good person. And though I think what goes on in temples is worthless, I still watch her children sometimes when she wants to attend! She tells me she'd like to go to the temple and asks me to babysit, and I do if it's at all possible. I even watch her kids while she goes visiting teaching! Because I love her and her children.

Mormonism is a fraud. Mormons are, for the most part, lovely. I love lots of Mormons and want to be kind and helpful to them, even though I hope they do find out the truth about their church.

KA
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charity wrote:
the road to hana wrote:
How do you know they don't post on discussion boards? How do you know what their lives are like intimately?


That's an interesting concept. There are a couple who have continued on as friends. When we talk, if I mention being in the temple last week, they don't recoil in horror or start laughing behind their hands. It is hard for me to imagine that they have their nice, friendly faces on with me, and then go on an anti-message board and assume a whole different persona.

I can tell you people, what you see here is who I am. I don't put on a different personality when I go out the door.


This makes me laugh. Charity appears to only be able to see a caricature of a non believer. Too funny.

Charity, you have no idea. NO IDEA! I am slowly pulling myself away from the church. I was finally released last week from my calling in the Primary Presidency, and I do not intend to accept any more callings. I didn't want to ask to be released because I didn't want to fully explain my lack of belief. I hate hate hate conflict, and I just like going to church and being friendly. I don't want to upset anyone. So I went to church, gave a sharing time every third month, and usually played the piano for the primary (even though I totally suck at playing, but for years, I was the best they had, lol). These are my friends. I love them. I don't want to hurt them. I am hoping that I can quietly drift away, without much fanfare. We will see.

If we were in the same ward, the only reason you would have any grief from me is if you were in a calling in visiting teaching. I have stopped doing that. Other than that, I think you would like me very much.
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KA wrote:When I left the church, she told me my home was covered in a "black shroud of evil" and that she couldn't stand to even look at it!

Wow. I'm glad I never had anything like this said to me :/ That's awful...

I do have one of my old bishops constantly reminding me that 'God wants me to come back' everytime I see him, but he does it in such a friendly way, it's hard to be annoyed really...
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the road to hana wrote:

Huh. And do you go to them and tell them how much you hate former Mormons? Would they be surprised if you did?


Mind reading again, and just as wrong. I don't hate former Mormons. And what gives you the idea I do?
the road to hana wrote:
Charity, I'm friends with many currently active Mormons, including family and close friends. I wouldn't dream of "recoiling in horror" if they mentioned being in the temple last week, or laughing behind my hands.

And what they see is what they get with me, too. I'm not two different personas. .


So it is just me personally that brings out the worst in you? (See the comment above about "hating" former Mormons, if you have any questions about what I just said.)
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KimberlyAnn wrote:
You are way out in left field, Charity.

My longtime neighbor is a Mormon. We used to be in the same ward.

When I left the church, she told me my home was covered in a "black shroud of evil" and that she couldn't stand to even look at it! I was still kind to her even though she was shunning me. Her husband lost his job, and I anonymously sent her gift cards for groceries, even though at the time she wouldn't let her children play with mine! She thought the gift cards were from someone in the ward. To this day, two years later, I've never told her differently.

She eventually needed a babysitter badly enough that she asked me to watch her children. Thankfully, she learned that though I am an apostate, I am still a good person. And though I think what goes on in temples is worthless, I still watch her children sometimes when she wants to attend! She tells me she'd like to go to the temple and asks me to babysit, and I do if it's at all possible. I even watch her kids while she goes visiting teaching! Because I love her and her children.

Mormonism is a fraud. Mormons are, for the most part, lovely. I love lots of Mormons and want to be kind and helpful to them, even though I hope they do find out the truth about their church.

KA

See, I find that so bothersome! It is part of the reason that I don't want to outright announce that I'm leaving the church. If I do that, I will suddenly become evil in their eyes. Little do they know that I have been a non believer for a while now, and they liked me just fine. I am the same person that I have been for the last several years. Why would I suddenly be different? But I KNOW that this sort of thing will happen to some degree.

If they ask me outright, I will tell them that I no longer believe. So be it. But I would still treat them with respect and I'd hope they'd treat me the same.
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charity wrote:And those of you who have decided to relieve your stress by leaving the Church have still not overcome the cogn dis problem. Many, many of you (maybe not all) still have a kernel of truth hiding in your souls, and you still know deep down that the Church is true. Which is why Elder Maxwell pointed out the problem you have. "You can leave the Church, but you can't leave it alone."


And then there are those of us who've never been a part of the church, looked at it, had the missionary lessons, gone to the 3-hour meetings, read the Book of Mormon, and still say "That's ridiculous!"
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I cannot defend the actions of members who are intolerant. I am sorry for any of you who have had experiences of that kind. And they will certainly have to answer for any unChrist-like behaviors.
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charity wrote:And those of you who have decided to relieve your stress by leaving the Church have still not overcome the cogn dis problem. Many, many of you (maybe not all) still have a kernel of truth hiding in your souls, and you still know deep down that the Church is true. Which is why Elder Maxwell pointed out the problem you have. "You can leave the Church, but you can't leave it alone."


Charity, sometimes I wonder if you post these bizarre statements to convince yourself of them, because you certainly won't be winning the debate by any logical means!

Most of your posts can logically be turned around at you, and I think most would see them as more accurate. Let's try:

"And those of you who have decided to relieve your stress by joining the Church have still not overcome the cogn dis problem. Many, many of you (maybe not all) still have a kernel of truth hiding in your souls, and you still know deep down that the Church is not true. Which is why Elder Maxwell pointed out the problem you have. "You can join the Church, but you can't leave your doubts alone."
Überzeugungen sind oft die gefährlichsten Feinde der Wahrheit.
[Certainty (that one is correct) is often the most dangerous enemy of the
truth.] - Friedrich Nietzsche
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charity wrote:I cannot defend my actions which are intolerant. I am sorry for any of you who have had experiences of my judgment. And I will certainly have to answer for any unChrist-like behaviors.


Hmmmm...so much easier to point fingers than to look in the mirror, huh?
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charity wrote:
the road to hana wrote:

Huh. And do you go to them and tell them how much you hate former Mormons? Would they be surprised if you did?


Mind reading again, and just as wrong. I don't hate former Mormons. And what gives you the idea I do?
the road to hana wrote:
Charity, I'm friends with many currently active Mormons, including family and close friends. I wouldn't dream of "recoiling in horror" if they mentioned being in the temple last week, or laughing behind my hands.

And what they see is what they get with me, too. I'm not two different personas. .


So it is just me personally that brings out the worst in you? (See the comment above about "hating" former Mormons, if you have any questions about what I just said.)


Charity, you're caricaturing people and making sweeping generalizations that aren't correct. You're also setting yourself up in an adversarial position rather than a friendly one.

So when someone does it back to you, you're the one who recoils.

Which, of course, is not surprising, but continues to be disappointing. You might try making friends with people on this board, and see what happens.
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